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Re: creolego "cannibalizes" AND "phagocytates" (wasRe: Gaelic

From:Christophe Grandsire <christophe.grandsire@...>
Date:Sunday, July 14, 2002, 16:14
En réponse à tim talpas <tim@...>:

> > I've always wondered about the dutch "ij"... people say this all the > time, > and as i've never actually seen a dutch person write in dutch, i'm > really > not sure what this means...
Just that even when people write with disconnected letters, "ij" will appear as one letter. Also, "ij" has a single capital form, rendered as "IJ" here. is this only in cursive? print? Would one
> ever write an actual ÿ in dutch? >
When I see people writing in Dutch, their cursive "ij" is really indistinguishable from a "y" with umlaut. And in print, there is a difference between the letter "ij" and a simple "i" followed by "j": the space between the two components of the letter "ij" is smaller than the space between the two separate letters (it's called "negative kerning" in font language :)) ), and this difference is visible. Note also that if a store has its name above it with separate neon letters, "ij" always makes a single letter, not two. Despite what Boudewijn says, "ij" is seen as a single letter very strongly by most Dutch people, even though they have no problem approximating it with "i"+"j" when there is no other possibility (although I've seen quite a few people preferring to approximate it by "y" instead, especially in capital form). Christophe. http://rainbow.conlang.free.fr Take your life as a movie: do not let anybody else play the leading role.

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Boudewijn Rempt <boud@...>
Jan van Steenbergen <ijzeren_jan@...>Dutch "ij"