Re: RV: Old English

Basilius:
> > > [x] in Swedish? Interesting. Where did I see a site about Swedish
> > > dialects?..
Carlos:
> > Many dictionaries use IPA hooked and tailed lowercase h, (I guess is /x\/ in
> > X-SAMPA), defined as both /S/ and /x/, my teachers (Stockholm) usually used
> > a combined sound but AFAIK in northern Sweden the sound is more /S/ and in
> > the South is more like /x/.  Any how, as longer as you can make a contrast
> > between <sj> /x\/, and <tj> /C/, things are _okej_. even pronouncing <sj> as
> > [S] and <tj> as [tS] you would sound funny but people would understand you.
BP:
> Correct.  I'm from north of Gothenburg (west coast) where the precise sound
> is more like [x_w] (labialized).  Some people also have [S_w], and there
> used to be a gender difference between male [x_w] and female [S_w]!
I talked about this with a friend of mine who is a PhD student
in Swedish. My way of saying it is kinda like [x], but 'softer'.
That is, I use a voiceless velar *approximant* and not a
fricative. She has the same sound but with the lips involved
as well. Many people use something that to me sounds like a
voiceless retroflex fricative /s-hook/, but somewhat labialized.
That's called 'kärring-sje-ljud'... That's the one which in IPA
is hooked and tailed h.

Daniel