Re: Tense marked on nouns
|From:||Remi Villatel <maxilys@...>|
|Date:||Tuesday, June 8, 2004, 0:46|
Sally Caves wrote:
> Vyko, Remi. Interesting system. The famously verbless conlang is Sylvia
> Sotomayor's Kelen~. You might want to get in touch with her; she's back
> from Nicaragua. :)
Her site has been in my bookmarks for a long time. So far, I only know 3
verbless conlangs: Kélen, All-Noun and Shaquelingua. Maybe should we start
forming a group? ;-)
> We have a few minor things in common:
We have more in common than you think. Especially, we have a lot of dual
pronouns in common. Shaquelingua also have exclusive and exclusive pronouns.
But what really make me laugh is your very unusual use of the char "u" [j].
My very special char is "y" [H] (i.e. [y] as a semi-vowel) or [w] sometimes.
Shaquelingua can also use preposition to express possession.
sóju fra-jitirër køfalja [sOja fxa:jitixEx k9fa.lja]
= (about) the truth of (the) concept(s)
That stative/motive nuance of your locative prepositions matches the one of
shaquean locative postpositions, except that I haven't found a name for that
vi yiklis suku [vi Hi.k4is suku]
the door at (stative)
vi yiklis suvi [vi Hi.k4is suvi]
the door at (motive)
Luckily, the "into", "out of", "up on", etc shaquean postpositions aren't
built the same way as in Teonaht... otherwise I would sue you for copyright
violation! ;-) (Just kidding.)
be saelóvi-leyo yar te'taj. [be: sa^e4Ovi:4ewo Hax te:taj]
(case marking) (out in movement)-room (descriptor) (indicative past)'shi
= He/she entered (the) room.
Note: "saelóvi" (=from outside to inside of) and "fra" (=part of) are
postpositions but a grammatical rule allow you to prefix them in order to
build an adjectival compound.
Shaquelingua and Teonath both only have adjectives to express gender.
And I haven't finished exploring your site...
> Teonaht uses its future tense in polite discourse to express directives,
> which sounds "rude" to us: "you [formal] will take the upper road out of the
In Shaquelingua, the future imperative is the common way. Polite directives
are built a different way. You must use an irreal mode.
rar'be vøjhda kos'va SalI ! [xax(a)be: v9j.da kos(o)va: sa4i]
(descriptor)'(case marking) sitting (imperative future irreal)'the Sally.
= Would you sit down, Sally!
And formal directives are built with another tense.
vi tikebar bovi, ske flodje yar keo'rja.
the (grass area) (on motive), zero step (descriptor)
= Don't ever walk on the grass.
You're in my bookmarks.
zato'kja hej tul, [zato:.kja x\ej tu4] (I will express myself again)