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Re: Tense marked on nouns

From:Remi Villatel <maxilys@...>
Date:Tuesday, June 8, 2004, 0:46
Sally Caves wrote:

> Vyko, Remi. Interesting system. The famously verbless conlang is Sylvia > Sotomayor's Kelen~. You might want to get in touch with her; she's back > from Nicaragua. :)
Her site has been in my bookmarks for a long time. So far, I only know 3 verbless conlangs: Kélen, All-Noun and Shaquelingua. Maybe should we start forming a group? ;-)
> We have a few minor things in common:
We have more in common than you think. Especially, we have a lot of dual pronouns in common. Shaquelingua also have exclusive and exclusive pronouns. But what really make me laugh is your very unusual use of the char "u" [j]. My very special char is "y" [H] (i.e. [y] as a semi-vowel) or [w] sometimes. Shaquelingua can also use preposition to express possession. sóju fra-jitirër køfalja [sOja fxa:jitixEx k9fa.lja] = (about) the truth of (the) concept(s) That stative/motive nuance of your locative prepositions matches the one of shaquean locative postpositions, except that I haven't found a name for that nuance yet. vi yiklis suku [vi Hi.k4is suku] the door at (stative) vi yiklis suvi [vi Hi.k4is suvi] the door at (motive) Luckily, the "into", "out of", "up on", etc shaquean postpositions aren't built the same way as in Teonaht... otherwise I would sue you for copyright violation! ;-) (Just kidding.) be saelóvi-leyo yar te'taj. [be: sa^e4Ovi:4ewo Hax te:taj] (case marking) (out in movement)-room (descriptor) (indicative past)'shi = He/she entered (the) room. Note: "saelóvi" (=from outside to inside of) and "fra" (=part of) are postpositions but a grammatical rule allow you to prefix them in order to build an adjectival compound. Shaquelingua and Teonath both only have adjectives to express gender. And I haven't finished exploring your site...
> Teonaht uses its future tense in polite discourse to express directives, > which sounds "rude" to us: "you [formal] will take the upper road out of the
In Shaquelingua, the future imperative is the common way. Polite directives are built a different way. You must use an irreal mode. rar'be vøjhda kos'va SalI ! [xax(a)be: v9j.da kos(o)va: sa4i] (descriptor)'(case marking) sitting (imperative future irreal)'the Sally. = Would you sit down, Sally! And formal directives are built with another tense. vi tikebar bovi, ske flodje yar keo'rja. the (grass area) (on motive), zero step (descriptor) (imperative atemporel)'thou = Don't ever walk on the grass.
You're in my bookmarks. zato'kja hej tul, [zato:.kja x\ej tu4] (I will express myself again) -- ================== Remi Villatel ==================


Sally Caves <scaves@...>Shaquelingua and Teonaht (was: discussion of verbless languages)