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Re: Quenya words for "Orc" (was Re: tolkien?))

From:Benct Philip Jonsson <bpj@...>
Date:Tuesday, December 16, 2003, 16:52
At 21:11 15.12.2003, Jörg Rhiemeier wrote:
> > > > Quenya has a couple variants; etymological _urco_, pl _urqui_, and > Sindarin- > > influenced _orco_, pl _orqui_ or _orcor_. (This following the later info in > > Quendi and Eldar; back in the 30s, when the Professors was writing the > > Etymologies, _orco_ was a perfectly regular Q derivation.) > >Of course, Quenya didn't have a word for "Orc" at all before the Noldor >left Aman, as there were no Orcs in Valinor. The cognate _urco_ >meant something like "nightmare" or "phantom".
There are a couple of other derivatives from RUK which all had a similarly vague original meaning: _rauko_ 'demon' and _rokko_ 'horse' -- the latter because of the Dark Horseman (Sauron?) who snatched the early Elves away to make Orks out of them. /BP 8^) -- B.Philip Jonsson mailto:melrochX@melroch.se (delete X) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~__ A h-ammen ledin i phith! \ \ __ ____ ____ _____________ ____ __ __ __ / / \ \/___ \\__ \ /___ _____/\ \\__ \\ \ \ \\ \ / / / / / / / \ / /Melroch\ \_/ // / / // / / / / /___/ /_ / /\ \ / /'Aestan ~\_ // /__/ // /__/ / /_________//_/ \_\/ /Eowine __ / / \___/\_\\___/\_\ Gwaedhvenn Angeliniel\ \______/ /a/ /_h-adar Merthol naun ~~~~~~~~~Kuinondil~~~\________/~~\__/~~~Noolendur~~~~~~ || Lenda lenda pellalenda pellatellenda kuivie aiya! || "A coincidence, as we say in Middle-Earth" (JRR Tolkien)

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