Re: Quenya words for "Orc" (was Re: tolkien?))

Quoting Benct Philip Jonsson <bpj@...>:

> At 21:11 15.12.2003, Jörg Rhiemeier wrote:
> > >
> > > Quenya has a couple variants; etymological _urco_, pl _urqui_, and
> > Sindarin-
> > > influenced _orco_, pl _orqui_ or _orcor_. (This following the later info
> in
> > > Quendi and Eldar; back in the 30s, when the Professors was writing the
> > > Etymologies, _orco_ was a perfectly regular Q derivation.)
> >
> >Of course, Quenya didn't have a word for "Orc" at all before the Noldor
> >left Aman, as there were no Orcs in Valinor.  The cognate _urco_
> >meant something like "nightmare" or "phantom".
>
> There are a couple of other derivatives from RUK
> which all had a similarly vague original meaning:
> _rauko_ 'demon' and _rokko_ 'horse' -- the latter
> because of the Dark Horseman (Sauron?) who snatched
> the early Elves away to make Orks out of them.
From where did you get the bit re: _rokko_?

I'm not saying it's wrong, but it does look like a misremembered version of
Helge Fauskanger's rationalization of the apparent relationship between ROK
(source of _rokko_) and OROK (according to the account in the Etymologies, the
origin of the words for "orc"; apparently later supplanted by RUK).

                                                          Andreas

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