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Re: Quenya words for "Orc" (was Re: tolkien?))

From:Andreas Johansson <andjo@...>
Date:Tuesday, December 16, 2003, 18:19
Quoting Benct Philip Jonsson <bpj@...>:

> At 21:11 15.12.2003, Jörg Rhiemeier wrote: > > > > > > Quenya has a couple variants; etymological _urco_, pl _urqui_, and > > Sindarin- > > > influenced _orco_, pl _orqui_ or _orcor_. (This following the later info > in > > > Quendi and Eldar; back in the 30s, when the Professors was writing the > > > Etymologies, _orco_ was a perfectly regular Q derivation.) > > > >Of course, Quenya didn't have a word for "Orc" at all before the Noldor > >left Aman, as there were no Orcs in Valinor. The cognate _urco_ > >meant something like "nightmare" or "phantom". > > There are a couple of other derivatives from RUK > which all had a similarly vague original meaning: > _rauko_ 'demon' and _rokko_ 'horse' -- the latter > because of the Dark Horseman (Sauron?) who snatched > the early Elves away to make Orks out of them.
From where did you get the bit re: _rokko_? I'm not saying it's wrong, but it does look like a misremembered version of Helge Fauskanger's rationalization of the apparent relationship between ROK (source of _rokko_) and OROK (according to the account in the Etymologies, the origin of the words for "orc"; apparently later supplanted by RUK). Andreas


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