Re: Quenya words for "Orc" (was Re: tolkien?))

Hmm, that's interesting, I hadn't realized that. Though it seems it should
be obvious. By the way, do the Elves have names in their own languages for
the other Elves (or are the names listed in Sil. and the Appendices of both
Sil. and LOTR what they are called in Elvish)?

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Subject: Quenya words for "Orc" (was Re: tolkien?))

Hallo!

On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 17:23:37 +0100,
Andreas Johansson <andjo@...> wrote:

> Quoting Greg <greg.johnstons@...>:
>
> > Funny you should mention this, as I had too much caffeine last night and
was
> > reading the Appendices. The Quenya word for orc is evidently "orch,"
which
> > uses the archaic Quenya spelling.
>
> Nope, it most certainly isn.t It's the Sindarin word for "orc", however.
Pl
> _yrch_.
>
> Quenya has a couple variants; etymological _urco_, pl _urqui_, and
Sindarin-
> influenced _orco_, pl _orqui_ or _orcor_. (This following the later info
in
> Quendi and Eldar; back in the 30s, when the Professors was writing the
> Etymologies, _orco_ was a perfectly regular Q derivation.)
Of course, Quenya didn't have a word for "Orc" at all before the Noldor
left Aman, as there were no Orcs in Valinor.  The cognate _urco_
meant something like "nightmare" or "phantom".

Greetings,

Jörg.

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