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Re: OFF : Clusters & Gibberish (was : vowel scheme for new language)

From:Christophe Grandsire <christophe.grandsire@...>
Date:Saturday, May 22, 1999, 8:33
At 04:39 22/05/99 EDT, you wrote:
>Dans un courrier dat=E9 du 22/05/99 02:08:13 , Pablo a =E9crit : > >> > I find it interesting that Pablo restricted "yu" without known reason. >> > >> =20 >> I really don't have a clue why I did it -- but now=20 >> it's allowed anyway. In an early stage of the language >> I found that I was also unconsciously avoiding some >> other things, particularly initial fricative + stop >> clusters, except s- + stop, which was undoubtedly >> English influence. > >see how English spoils our Latin genius ;-) > > Nowadays I have Drasel=E9q words like >> _fqen_, _ft=F2g_, _thkelsen_, _thp=E0sen_, etc. (voiced >> fricatives are not allowed in this case). Now _fqen_ >> is not very "flowing" as I said I liked -- but it's >> there. > >I can understand what you feel with pleasing with these clusters : my early=
>words were a lot of tk_, tp_, pt_, kt_, tsh_, tm_, km_ , tl_ , tn_ initials=
>kta : get >kte : chief >tma : cut >tpun : stone >tla : speak >tli : write >tka : fall >tnu : think >tshun : destroy >there were a lot of glottal stops [?] everywhere. -t + t- =3D dental stop=
>-k + k- =3D velar stop. I can pronounce that phonology very easily and it=
>enthralling. example of sentence (I was around 14) : >Ak tnu?u tka ?an tpun pa?an kte tli?i tmu ?at. >I think that you fall (on) stone when the chief writes that he eats. >Subclause was started by doubling the vowel of the verb with glottal stop=
>inbetween : >tnu ?ak : I think > ak tnu?u ... : I think that ... >Something other conlangers use a lot : "case" by word order : >subject was after the verb when there was no direct object : >tka ?ak : I fall. >Indirect object was after subject : tka ?ak tpun : I fall on stone. >ak (shu?un) tka ?at tpun : I (make) him fall on stone. >It was not ergative, though : >tma ?ak : I cut. >ak tma mu : I cut meat. >tma ?a mu : the meat is cut. >tpun ?a tka : the stone is fallen on > >I still find all this appealing. Hmm... maybe I should make something out=
>it again :) >
Wow! I love that (the phonology and the syntax). My Moten has a very unrestrictive phonology, so it also can have those kinds of clusters, even if I don't have currently many of them, for instance: oktol: definition tlaktus: '-' (what's the English word for that sign by the way?) liglom: grammatical number veld: 5 bakme: conjugation tlimen: full bim|ze /bimdze/: translation ufolg: proposition spak: hot tistem: cheese nokpi: call zapte: discovering nekto: become ftudan: sculpture (the object) tlopikos: tropical gepsul: weather Yes, I know most consonnant clusters are inside words, so much easier to pronounce, but I haven't discovered so many words in Moten yet (there are only 700 of them). BTW, should talk to you about the way you name colours in Moten someday.
>Mathias > >
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