Re: OFF : Clusters & Gibberish (was : vowel scheme for new language)

At 04:39 22/05/99 EDT, you wrote:
>Dans un courrier dat=E9 du 22/05/99 02:08:13  , Pablo a =E9crit :
>
>> > I find it interesting that Pablo restricted "yu" without known reason.
>>  >
>> =20
>>  I really don't have a clue why I did it -- but now=20
>>  it's allowed anyway. In an early stage of the language
>>  I found that I was also unconsciously avoiding some
>>  other things, particularly initial fricative + stop
>>  clusters, except s- + stop, which was undoubtedly
>>  English influence.
>
>see how English spoils our Latin genius ;-)
>
> Nowadays I have Drasel=E9q words like
>>  _fqen_, _ft=F2g_, _thkelsen_, _thp=E0sen_, etc. (voiced
>>  fricatives are not allowed in this case). Now _fqen_
>>  is not very "flowing" as I said I liked -- but it's
>>  there.
>
>I can understand what you feel with pleasing with these clusters : my early=
=20
>words were a lot of tk_, tp_, pt_, kt_, tsh_, tm_, km_ , tl_ , tn_ initials=
 :
>kta : get
>kte : chief
>tma : cut
>tpun : stone
>tla : speak
>tli : write
>tka : fall
>tnu : think
>tshun : destroy
>there were a lot of glottal stops [?] everywhere. -t + t- =3D dental stop=
 and=20
>-k + k- =3D velar stop. I can pronounce that phonology very easily and it=
 is=20
>enthralling. example of sentence (I was around 14) :
>Ak tnu?u tka ?an tpun pa?an kte tli?i tmu ?at.
>I think that you fall (on) stone when the chief writes that he eats.
>Subclause was started by doubling the vowel of the verb with glottal stop=
=20
>inbetween :
>tnu ?ak : I think > ak tnu?u ... : I think that ...
>Something other conlangers use a lot : "case" by word order :
>subject was after the verb when there was no direct object :
>tka ?ak : I fall.
>Indirect object was after subject : tka ?ak tpun : I fall on stone.
>ak (shu?un) tka ?at tpun : I (make) him fall on stone.
>It was not ergative, though :
>tma ?ak : I cut.
>ak tma mu : I cut meat.
>tma ?a mu : the meat is cut.
>tpun ?a tka : the stone is fallen on
>
>I still find all this appealing. Hmm... maybe I should make something out=
 of=20
>it again :)
>
        Wow! I love that (the phonology and the syntax). My Moten has a very
unrestrictive phonology, so it also can have those kinds of clusters, even
if I don't have currently many of them, for instance:

oktol: definition
tlaktus: '-' (what's the English word for that sign by the way?)
liglom: grammatical number
veld: 5
bakme: conjugation
tlimen: full
bim|ze /bimdze/: translation
ufolg: proposition
spak: hot
tistem: cheese
nokpi: call
zapte: discovering
nekto: become
ftudan: sculpture (the object)
tlopikos: tropical
gepsul: weather

        Yes, I know most consonnant clusters are inside words, so much easier to
pronounce, but I haven't discovered so many words in Moten yet (there are
only 700 of them).

        BTW, should talk to you about the way you name colours in Moten someday.

>Mathias
>
>
                                                        Christophe Grandsire
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