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Re: a "natural language" ?

From:Thomas R. Wier <trwier@...>
Date:Wednesday, December 1, 2004, 15:30
From:    Joerg Rhiemeier <joerg_rhiemeier@...>
> I also have the impression that the majority of the world's languages > have fewer irregularities than most IE languages. Perhaps the > Europe/Middle East/India area is one of above-average irregularity.
In my experience with the languages of North America and the Caucasus, this is not at all the case. On top of all the other things that make Georgian a difficult language to learn, it is replete with suppletive verb (and noun!) stems, a number of different kinds of verbal and nominal ablaut, sometimes intersecting one another but sometimes not, and many verbs which simply lack certain stems and so have to recruit other stems to fill out paradigms. In North America, most if not all surface phonological processes are morphophonological in the Algonquian languages, which means one must frequently simply memorize not only stems but inflectional collocations many times, which, because of their baroque morphologies, often means hundreds or thousands of things to memorize. Meskwaki certainly has many of the same problems that Georgian has as well. The Caddoan languages are famous for their fusional morphologies, whose protoagglutinativity was destroyed as you suggest below by numerous sound changes over the centuries. There is, in other words, little reason for me to see Europe or IE-languages as somehow special in regards irregularities. In fact, many of them have somewhat less irregularity than some languages I've studied.
> But if you look at the (well-known) history and prehistory of the > Indo-European languages, you'll see that a great chunk of their > grammatical "messiness" (multiple declensions and conjugations, etc.) > is due to regular sound changes wreaking havoc with the inherited > paradigms.
Yes, that's often the case. But languages with much more complex morphological systems than IE-languages can be far, far worse, let me assure you, for purely morphological reasons. ========================================================================= Thomas Wier "I find it useful to meet my subjects personally, Dept. of Linguistics because our secret police don't get it right University of Chicago half the time." -- octogenarian Sheikh Zayed of 1010 E. 59th Street Abu Dhabi, to a French reporter. Chicago, IL 60637