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Re: When are Pitch-accents and Tonemes too bothersome?

From:James Worlton <jworlton@...>
Date:Wednesday, April 14, 2004, 14:21
>>> downport@COMCAST.NET 4/14/2004 8:41:54 AM >>>
Dear Conlangers, What's a "reasonable" amount of use for a pitch-accent? Or, when does the use of pitch-accent start to feel too unnatural or too bothersome? Vilani apparently has six 'tones', which I take to mean six pitch-accent tonal patterns (or uses, even); perhaps the pitch-accents are tonemes. For example, nouns could be case-marked using pitch, as in Shar'ik. <= agent Shar.ik. <= patient Shar.ik' <= dative/benefactive obj And verbs could be aspect-marked using pitch: Na.su' Shar.ik. "Sharik is bothersome." Na.su. Shar.ik. "Sharik is becoming bothersome." Na'su. Shar.ik. "Sharik is becoming less bothersome." Na.da'su. Shar'ik. E.ne.ri. "Sharik bothers Eneri." Na.da.su. Shar'ik. E.ne.ri. "Sharik is beginning to bother Eneri." Na'da.su. Shar'ik. E.ne.ri. "Sharik no longer bothers Eneri." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It looks like you are just using 2 different "tonemes" (high & low) here. So maybe I don't understand you when you say that there are six... I'm no expert on [linguistic] tones so I eagerly await more knowledgeable responses. I would like to add a question of my own to the query: In languages with tones, are they used morphosyntactically or contrastively more often? Are there languages that do both? I ask because I recently decided to incorporate a high and low tone contrast in emindahken, but I haven't decided whether to use them morpho'ly or contrast'ly. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> downport@COMCAST.NET 4/14/2004 8:41:54 AM >>>
My question is: how much is too much? How much farther can this be stretched out? Or is it too stretched already? I guess my root question is: given that this is intended to be a human language, what is a reasonable limit of the amount of semantic information that tonemes ought to carry? Thank you, Rob ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks from me too, James W.