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Re: "Abilitative" aspect?

From:Ian Maxwell <umlaut@...>
Date:Friday, October 25, 2002, 1:27
Muke Tever wrote:
> _Describing Morphosyntax_ has names for a few of these: > abilit[at]ive = "potential" > volitive = "optative" > debitive = "deontic"
I own Describing Morphosyntax, haven't read the whole thing yet (just got it recently), but the volitive and optative aren't the same thing. Volitive refers to the *subject's* desire to do something, whereas optative refers to the *speaker's* desire. Additionally, I'm not sure whether the debitive, which was described as "to have to", means being *obliged* or being *forced*. If it's the former, it does in fact match up with the deontic.
> Of course, you could have a permissive as its own mood, but then you could also > have it as a causative on an abilitive verb, couldntcha...
Hunh. Something that would literally translate as "to be allowed to be able to run" would actually mean "to cause to run", then? I don't see the logic, but then since when are natlangs (and, by extension, artlangs) logical? - Ian Maxwell -- C'est la vie, c'est la guerre, c'est la pomme de terre. CONLANGER CODE: CU v1.1 !lm+ cN:R:N:H a+ y n19:1 !B* A+ E--- L+ N1<2 Im k-- ia@:@ p@ s@ m- o P-- S--- A'liath

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Tim May <butsuri@...>
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