Making it volitional
|From:||Sally Caves <scaves@...>|
|Date:||Tuesday, August 28, 2001, 3:23|
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From: claudio <claudio.soboll@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: Stupid questions
> your volitional aspect sounds interesting for me.
(But whom are you talking to, Claudio? Me? Issytra?
The Teonim? Someone else?)
> i categorize the following kinds perceptions (=senses):
> hypernym: 1. perception
> hyponyms: 1.1 visual-perception
> 1.2 accoustic-perception
> 1.3 odor-percetion
> 1.4 flavour-perception
> 1.5 fumble-perception
> 1.6 inner-body-perception (e.g. headache, the feeling of a fullstomach, inner pains, etc.)
> 1.7 balance&direction perception (e.g. to determine spatialdirections, and to keep balance)
> from those i create generic compounds which at first dont distinguishaspects. (without aspect-markers)
> those generic forms are often missed in natural languages because e.g."hear", "listen" are aspect-affected already.
Very interesting! Show me some examples.
> variants of visual perception i can scratch out of my memory are:
> now thats how i would categorize them:
> aspectless ~ see
> aspect of volition = look
> aspect of inattention = ?
The English language doesn't have a verb "ignore"
that expresses inattention/non-knowledge. "Ignore"
always means willful "not noticing," whereas "ignorant"
means unintentionally unknowledgeable. Conversely,
"ignorant" cannot be used in English to mean "ignoring"
someone. You cannot say "he was ignorant of her
feelings for him" and mean "he ignored her feelings for
him." Isn't that curious? In Teonaht, this distinction
can be expressed thanks to the non-volitional variant.
Of course there are shades of meaning that have to
be expressed by other verbs: willful not knowing
(obstreperousness) unwillful not knowing (obtuseness),
willful not seeing, willful not seeking, etc.
> aspect of occupation = watch
> aspect of sudden notice ~ sudden visual notice
> aspect of search/seek = peer, or peek
> aspect of detection (to have found something) = ?
> aspect of analysis/examination ~ observe
> aspect of persecution ~ observe(paparazzi-like)
> im sure man could add ca. 10 more that would make sense in everyday-usageas compound with the term" visual-perception"
> i have the feeling that the simple distinction between "volitional" and"non-volitional"
> doenst make it.
Doesn't "make it" for what? For you? It makes it fine for Teonaht.
And it isn't a simple distinction. Merely a convenient one. It is merely
how Teonaht structures its verbs. Many languages have "simple"
categories for more complex things. In English, for instance, we use
the term "object" to express a number of grammatical relationships that
have formal distinctions in inflected languages. That doesn't mean, though,
that the distinctions aren't there in English and can't be categorized. We
use the word "subject" to mean agents, participants, and performers of
transitive as well as intransitive verbs. The simple term "subject" can
mean the passive recipient of an action. As we've seen, these can be
differently marked in ergative languages. It's how the people of a
language group see their own language, and that's how the Teonim see
Teonaht--in terms of volitionality, non-volitionality, or the stative (which
is similar to, but not exactly the same as non-volition).
Teonaht verbs are threefold: the -rem verbs which express volition
(with its many ranges of deliberateness), the -ned verbs which express
non-volition (with its many degrees of passivity or non-awareness); and
the -ndi verbs which express states of being. For the different aspects
you have indicated above Teonaht has different verbs. But its non-
volitional verbs can also cover ranges of meaning besides the senses,
and which acquire very specific meanings. For instance the word "laugh"
is reactive when used as a -ned verb, but malicious when used as a -rem
One laughs at a man's joke because one reacts. But you laugh a man out of
town. One "happies," however, as an -ndi verb because one is jolly--at that
moment. If one is jolly generally, then an adjective is used. If you laugh
encourage someone, you "good-laugh" him. "Laugh" in general, is seen as
Satanic and harmful. Angelic laughter is a different verb, and is more akin
to rejoice, or find the comic harmony in something.
The terms in Teonaht for these grammatical distinctions are Euab, Pelme,
and Eskkoat: "Self," "Mind," and "Shadow," meaning the Stative, the
and the Experiencer or non-volitional.
I think it makes it. :)
Rin nored, ivra tal ebra "euanib zef"; ma cel enue ivra tal tyr ebra
"euanib zef, send mantwe manttes-lo." Man kabuos-ry, to ouar
euanib esry, send ivra ebras "euanib ly." Ma kwa'r mehdom to
al euab esry euanib?
Speaking of death, you can say that "a man is gone." But you can
also say in life that "a man has gone and will come back." When I die,
I will be gone, and they will say, "she is gone." But how can I be gone