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Re: Is this a realistic phonology?

From:Daniel Andreasson <noldo@...>
Date:Monday, March 8, 1999, 16:52
>At 3:48 pm -0600 7/3/99, Nik Taylor wrote: >>Daniel Andreasson wrote: >>> I'm sorry that I ask, and it's possible that there's something here =
that
>>>I don't >>> quite get, but what's bizarre about having more nasals than voiced =
stops?
>>> Swedish has six nasals (bilabial, labiodental, dental, retroflex, >>>palatal and velar) >>> and only four voiced stops (blb, dental, retroflex and velar). >> >>Well, only that, up to this point, I didn't realize that there *were* >>langs with more nasals than stops. > >And are all the six Swedish nasals noted above six distinct _phonemes_?
Well...no...=20
>For example, English has a labiodental nasal but not it doesn't have >phonemic status; it's merely an allophone of /m/ (or /n/ according to =
some
>analyses) before /f/ or /v/. English has only three nasal phonemes =
(some
>Brit. English dialects still have only two), though other nasals occur =
as
>allophones.
The labiodental and palatal nasals are just allophones of /n/.=20 Ok, then. Swedish has four nasals and four voiced stops as phonemes.=20 I must have misinterpreted the word 'phonematic' in the beginning of=20 this discussion.
>As post-vocalic nasals are more subject to modification by a following >consonant than post-vocalic plosives are, I suspect it's not at all >uncommon to find more nasal sounds than voiced plosives in very many >languages. But I'm still with Nik when it comes to actual _phonemes_.
And now I am too. Daniel Andreasson da@mensa.se http://dalang.cjb.net