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Re: Passive and active....

From:BP Jonsson <bpj@...>
Date:Monday, December 27, 1999, 15:19
At 14:54 +0200 27.12.1999, Markus Miekk-oja wrote:
> >An example would be my native (Swedish) dialect, where the passive -s >often is used as an aspect or mood("habitual" I think it's called).
Which of course is because it was originally not a passive, but a medial voice, i.e. it indicated that the subject acted upon itself, or that two subjects acted reciprocally on each other -- hence such idioms as "slåss" 'fight' from "slå" 'beat'. Indeed the passive-marker -s is a worn-down remainder of the reflexive pronoun "sig" -- in which those who know German or Yiddish will recognise "sich" or "zikh", which was once cliticized to the verb. In Old Icelandic this is still visible: compare a form like "kallask" 'call oneself (something)' to the active voice "kalla" and the reflexive pronoun "sik". Runic Swedish and Danish instead used forms like "kallasR", with the accusative form of the reflexive pronoun -- "se'r" in non-clitic form. Since the first and second person used the accusative and dative of the personal pronoun instead of the special reflexive Old Icelandic had a quite complicated medial paradigm: ek kallamk (< kalla mik) 'I call myself' thu' kallart (< kallaR thik) 'thou callest thyself' hann kallask (< kallaR sik) 'he calls himself' vit ko`llumk (< ko`llum okkr) 'we two call ourselves' ve'r ko`llums (< ko`llum oss) 'we call ourselves' (no attested contractions for second person dual and plural, but the spellings "kallath thit" and "kallath ykkr" were certainly contracted in pronunciation, since many verses require that in order to scan! :-) their kallask (< kalla sik) 'they call themselves' Except in the most early manuscripts all are spelled "-z" or "-st", except the first person of all numbers, which was "-umk" at least into the 14th century. /BP B.Philip Jonsson <bpj@...> <melroch@...> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~__ Anant' avanaute quettalmar! \ \ __ ____ ____ _____________ ___ __ __ __ / / \ \/___ \\__ \ /___ _____/\ \\__ \\ \ \ \\ \ / / / / / / / \ / /Melroch\ \_/ // / / // / / / / /___/ /_ / /\ \ / /Melarocco\_ // /__/ // /__/ / /_________//_/ \_\/ /Eowine__ / / \___/\_\\___/\_\ I neer Pityancalimeo\ \_____/ /ar/ /_atar Mercasso naan ~~~~~~~~~Cuinondil~~~\_______/~~~\__/~~~Noolendur~~~~~~ || Lenda lenda pellalenda pellatellenda cuivie aiya! || "A coincidence, as we say in Middle-Earth" (JRR Tolkien)