Josh skrev:
> Aroven has t0, t1, t2, t3, and t-1 semantic words -- intransitive,
> transitive, ditransitive, "tri-transitive" if you will, and the last =
class
> I don't know an English name for -- use it to say that it is raining =
outside;
> it's not "the outside is raining" it is "[it] rains the outside =
(acc.)".
> But isn't "I" the agent in "I sleep"?
No. "I" is the experiencer.
> > 0. (It) rains [no S or O]
> > 1. I sleep [only S]
> > 2. I eat (food) [S and O]
> > 3. I give (it to you) [1 S and 2 Os]
>=20
> Mmm-hmm. Except how do you say that it is raining in London in =
particular
> (this "in" should, again, not be taken too literally)? Aroven uses =
the
> accusative, a.k.a. first object.
'Rains on London' perhaps.
'karmi Londondem'
karm- =3D rain
-i =3D impersonal verb suffix
-dem =3D locative case
Or how about making it into a noun: 'Rain falls on (or whatever I decide =
the
adposition/case suffix should be) London'.
> > Perhaps this is just some kind of object agreement on
> > the verb:
> > "-y" =3D hey, there are no objects!
> > "-e" =3D listen up, there's an object as well.
> > "-u" =3D look out, two objects coming your way!
> > "-i" =3D what? Not even a subject?
>=20
> This would serve to make the listener's job a little simpler. Watch =
out,
> though: often the speaker may not know just how many objects he/she =
wishes
> to list (e.g. "I gave a speech yesterday... to some college =
students.").
That's a typically English way of saying that, but I see your point.
Although who said talking was easy? The same problem exists in every =
language
with some sort of agreement.=20
E.g. in Swedish (which you seem to speak) if you say:
"Har du sett min nya bokhylla?" (Have you seen my new bookshelf?)
and wish to change "hylla" to "sk=E5p" (cabinet), you also have to
change "min" to "mitt".=20
My point is that you almost never make this mistake. You know
from the beginning what you want to say. And if you want to change
what you are about to say, you can go back and rephrase the
sentence or just go ahead and make the error and hope no one
cares.
> > This might be really fun!
>=20
> Could be! Interested to see what kind of system you end up with.
Yeah, me too. :)
Daniel Andreasson