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Re: Grimm's Law

From:Christian Thalmann <cinga@...>
Date:Monday, April 15, 2002, 0:12
--- In conlang@y..., John Cowan <jcowan@R...> wrote:

> The shifts p > pf, t > ts, and k > kx happen in turn as you go from > north (Low) to south (High). The k > kx shift doesn't happen until > you are way up in the Swiss Alps, which is why it didn't make it into > modern standard German. But in Swiss German you see /kxy/ for standard > /ku/ 'cow'.
Sounds like your Swiss Alp dweller had too many of those funky mushrooms that grow on cowpats. ;-) "Cow" is indeed /k_hu:/ in High German, but /kxy/ doesn't sound right for any of the multitudinous Swiss dialects. In Züritüütsch, the most common and most "normal" dialect, it's /Xu@/, written |Chue|, which might have given you the idea of an /y/. The ugly and linguistically insensible but common practice of writing the schwa as |ä| to distinguish Swiss German writing from High German would remove that ambiguity: |Chuä|. In other dialects, it's /k_hUA/ (Bündnarisch) or /k_h}@/ (Baasler-diitsch) or something similar. The schwa-offglide seems to be more or less constant. That aside, your point is valid: Many Swiss German as well as some Austrian dialects do indeed have lots of /kX/, which curdles the blood of most Germans. ;-) -- Christian Thalmann (Swiss lowland dweller ;-)

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