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Re: Arvorec plural endings

Date:Thursday, June 7, 2001, 21:09
On Wed, Jun 06, 2001 at 04:34:31PM +0100, Dan Jones wrote:
> Well, all this talk of plurals in Welsh and Brithenig has got me > thinking about the plausibility of the Arvorec plural endings. This is > my derivation so far:
This is a nice idea. I think the probability of the dative plural being generalised is rather small, BUT if it ever did get a foothold it would be quite likely to spread throughout the language because its so distinctive and occurs in almost all types of nouns.
> > O-stems > I've taken the dative plural -obe as my basic plural ending, giving the > Arvorec -ow. > Gaulish: aballos (nom s) --> aballobe (dat pl) > Arvorec: aval (s) --> avallow (pl)
Most of the reconstructions I've seen of Celtic inflexions give the dat. pl. as -obis -- so Gaelic -(a)ibh. So, firstly you might get i-affection (does Arvorec have this?), and secondly, the /b/ could give /v/ << /B/, but this could also interchange with /w/ (at the /B/ stage that is). So maybe /-eiv/ or /-ew/. You could have a rule like Cornish that turns final unstressed -ew into -ow though, so you'd then end up with -ow after all :)
> > A-stems > Paralelling the formation of the o-stems, I'm using the dative plural again, -abe, to > give Arvorec -aw. > Gaulish: banata (nom s) --> banatabe (dat pl) [-a:bis ??] > Arvorec: banad (s) --> banadaw (pl)
How does /a:/ develop in Arvorec?
> > I-stems > Instead of using the dative plural, I've used the genitive plural -ion. > Gaulish: pettia (nom s) --> pettion (gen pl) > Arvorec: peth (s) --> pethyon (pl)
Well "here", -ion would probably drop leaving just i-affection. I'd be inclined to borrow the -ow ending from the other declensions. But why not use dat. pl. -ibis >> -iw maybe?
> > U-stems > Again, u-stems use the dative plural -uebo to give -wew: > Gaulish uebrus (nom s) --> uebruebo (dat pl) > Arvorec: gwevyr (s) --> gwevrwew (pl)
Ouch! three consonants in a row. An epenthetic vowel might be expected, or loss or vocalisation of the v or w. Maybe this ending would come out a /-u:/ or /-u:w/ e.g. gwevruw or however you'd spell it.
> > However, I'm thinking about copying the i-stems and use the ganitive plural -uon, > which would give > Gaulish: uebrus --> uebruon > Arvorec: gwevyr --> gwevron > > N-stems > N-stems use the nominative plural -ones:# > Gaulish animon (nom s) -> animones (nom pl) > Arvorec: aenyf --> aenyvon
OK, you see that here the -on- is "covered" by the followed -es and so survives loss of the final syllable.
> > R-stems > R-stems are rare in Arvorec, and migrate to the o-stems. > > Consonant stems. > I'm currently using -ew from the dative plural -ebo: > Gaulish: druids (nom s) --> druidebo (dat pl) > Arvorec: drwyth (s) --> drwydhew (pl) > > What I'm wondering is how plausible is all this? Any better suggestions, > from Brythonic examples? Also, what is the origin of the welsh plural > ending -oedd, oh, [????] and -od while were at it?
-oedd, -ydd, -edd and -i are all from /-ijes/ (i-stem nom. plural), which you get depends on where the stress falls. -od is from the -t- consonant stem plural -otes e.g. Gaulish /lukotes/ -- Breton <logod> "mice"
> Dan