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USAGE: /pf/ (was: Announcement: New auxlang "Choton")

From:J. 'Mach' Wust <j_mach_wust@...>
Date:Saturday, October 9, 2004, 13:18
On Sat, 9 Oct 2004 14:53:17 +0200, Andreas Johansson <andjo@...> wrote:

>Quoting Henrik Theiling <theiling@...>: > >> When I pronounce it, there is no need to adjust the position of the >> jaw to switch from bilabial to labiodental. My upper teeth already >> touch the lower lip while the plosive is closed by the upper lip. >> When the plosive part opens, there is no need to adjust anything: the >> [f] is already perfectly in position for the fricative part. So I'd >> say that although not exactly the same point of articulation, it is >> still an affricate since nothing is moved, since upper-lip with >> lower-lip and upper-teeth with lower-lip can touch at the same time. > >That's one funny affricate! Trying it, I can just about manage it in >isolation. I won't be able to use it in connected speech anytime soon. It's >just crying to get transformed into either [pp\] or a labiodental affricate >(which apparently isn't IPAically representable).
I'd say it is a labiodental affricate, and that's also what Henrik has described. As I understand it, a labiodental closure means that the lower lip touches the upper lip, e.g. in the labiodental nasal /F/ in |emphatic|. BTW, is there any language that has a labiodental nasal not only before [f, v]?
>Do your upper teeth touch you lower lip when producing a simple [p]?
I'd be very surprised if so. (Though I'd be less surprised if such a pronunciation were found in some place in North-Rhine Westphalia.) In that respect, there's no difference between German /p/ and English /p/. gry@s: j. 'mach' wust


Andreas Johansson <andjo@...>