Re: *oy vey*

Jan wrote;
>Theoretically, "f" is unvoiced, "w" is voiced, and "v"is somewhere in > the middle.
Theoretically /v/ is voiced too. The difference between /w/ and /v/ is
the rate of fricativization (does this word exist?).
The onset of both is the same, but the /w/ then becomes less fricativized.
So /v/ = [v] and /w/ = [_bv] (superscript b with dot under it
(to indicate a labiodental stop) + v with a superscript sign to indicate
less fricativization).
O yes, Dutch is a great language :)
In practice, my f is voiceless, my w is voiced and my v is devoiced,
having three states of the glottis!

Ro