Re: Help with case names
| From: | M. Å. <moriquende@...> |
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| Date: | Wednesday, April 3, 2002, 14:39 |
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>From: daniel andreasson <danielandreasson@...>
>Reply-To: Constructed Languages List <CONLANG@...>
>To: CONLANG@LISTSERV.BROWN.EDU
>Subject: Re: Help with case names
>Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 22:20:40 +0200
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>Maija Åstrand skrev:
>
> > - there is an adposition connected to X (I've been calling
> > it "adpositive")
>
>You mean you want a case indicating that there is an
>adposition attached to the word? I'm not sure I understand
>what you're after.
Yep. Like, if you want to say that something's on the table, the word
"table" must be in this case.
> > - not X (negative?)
>
>This is a neat case. If X were a verb, I'd call it a mood,
>but if X were -- say 'bear' -- then it might be called a
>case, wouldn't it? Like:
>
>- What's that?
>- Well, I know it's a bear:NEG!
...meaning, I know it's not a bear - or it is an unbear - whatever else than
a bear. :)
Another problem here is that most of the time I do not know at all if
something is a case or derivation - but I can live with that. (That said, I
now think this is a clitic morphem [clite?], not a case... "a negative
clite"?)
> > -towards and from the direction of X (allative and ablative?)
>
>At the same time? That's cool even though I suppose it wouldn't
>be used very much. "Ablallative" perhaps? :) Or you could use
>the same case as "through", prolative.
No, not at the same time - I just put them together, because they were so
close to each other. Ablative and allative, as I've learnt them, mean "from
on/above" and "to on/above", just wondering if they were usually used in
wider sense...
>
> > -at the time of X, when X (is this perlative? even if it
> > doesn't always mean so clearly "during"?)
>
>I would use perlative for this.
Thanks.
> > -because of X - X caused something (to happen, to be as it
> > is...)
>
>This is causative, which is a Verb Thingy (TM). Although it
>would be interesting to mark it on the NP instead of on the VP.
Possible, if the sentence is quite simple... as long as it's just somebody's
fault and did not happen because the somebody did something.
>It could be Obessive/benefactive as well, if you see it as
>"I did it because of John / John caused me to do it."
The first one is final reason. The last one is causal reason and that's what
I was after.
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-M. Å.
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