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Re: Part 2 Why my con langs SUCK!!!

From:Joe <joe@...>
Date:Thursday, January 22, 2004, 17:52
Roger Mills wrote:

>Chris Bates wrote: > > >>Well, RP of course lol. I'm joking... I'm not sure, but I think a >>compromise could be reached... people who speak non-rhotic dialects of >>english will still know how to pronounce a world if we keep on sticking >>rs where some people pronounce them, >> >> > >Which is exactly what written English does. I've suggested in that past >that the _underlying_ phonology of _all_ Engl. dialects (the standard-ish >one, at any rate) does have /r/ in all the positions where it is written. >Intervocalic and final-prevocalic /r/ are almost always retained. >Pre-consonantal /r/ is the problem: but for each dialect it is predictable >whether it is realized as 1. a rhotic-- 2. a schwa-like offglide-- 3. >various other off-glides (e.g. [j]-like in the "bird=boyd" dialects)-- 4. >length and (4a) sometimes change of vowel quality (5. have I missed >anything?). > >If Engl. were not a written language, then at least comparison of all the >dialects would point to the reconstruction of pre-cons. /r/ in >"Common-English" > > >
The main problem, as I see it, is contrasts not represented in modern written English. For instance, RP and Southern English /A:/ vs /&/, which, in most other dialects, are merged into /&/. The same with /U/ vs /V/ - which, though widespread, is not represented in written English. Perhaps we should use cool dutch-style double letters. 'graas'(grass) and 'puut'(put), for instance.

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