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Re: Adpositions gaining new uses

From:René Uittenbogaard <ruittenb@...>
Date:Sunday, November 16, 2008, 21:45
The existence of a verb "opzitten" does not seem very plausible to me
(unless we're talking about a dog doing tricks). To me it seems that
your first two sentences are examples of sentences where the
combination of auxiliary+preposition allow the main verb to be left
out:

Hij / moet / op / de / computer [werken].
He / should / on / the / computer [work].
He should work on the computer.

Ik / wil / op / de / playstation [spelen].
I / want / on / the / playstation [play].
I want to play on the playstation.

Analogous to:

Ik / moet / naar / het / toilet [gaan].
I / must / to / the / toilet [go].
I have to go to the toilet.

Mag / ik / twee / bier [hebben]?
May / I / two / beers [have]?
Can I have two beers?

Mag / ik / naar / buiten [gaan]?
May / I / to / outside [go]?
Can I go outside?

Peter / kan / nog niet / op / de / computer [werken].
Peter / can / not yet / on / the / computer [work].
Peter cannot work on the computer yet.

René

2008/11/16 Ina van der Vegt <gijsstrider@...>:
> Something I've been noticing about my L1 (Dutch) is that in some > situations, the adposition 'op' (Roughly the same as the English > adposition 'on') has gained a new use. > > As I am no good at explaining, I'll give some examples, and try some > of my theories afterward. > > Hij / moet / op / de / computer. > He / should / on / the / computer. > He should use the computer. > > Ik / wil / op / de / playstation. > I / want / on / the / playstation. > I want to use the playstation. > > Ik / zit / op / gitaarles. > I / sit / on / guitar lesson. > I am taking guitar lessons. > > Now, I think this use originally came from the last use, as 'op' > defaults to 'zitten' (To sit), and 'zitten' is only removed when there > is another verb. What I think is that 'opzitten' (Literally: To sit > on) has gained the new meaning of 'to make use of' or 'to use', and > that the 'zitten' part is left out when another verb is present. The > reason that 'zitten' is still present in situations where there is no > other verb is because there must be a verb. > > Does this sound plausible, and are there any situations similar to > this in other languages? > > Ina van der Vegt >