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Re: Doing without relative, coordinate and subordinate clauses?

From:Eugene Oh <un.doing@...>
Date:Saturday, June 30, 2007, 16:40
Japanese does the Audi sentence by using a connective form of the
first (and any subsequent non-final) adjective, and the regular finite
form for the final one.

There is no direct translation for the train sentence; it would
require either a separate verb for the pulling-out subclause, e.g. "as
she looked at the train pulling out...", or a separate sentence;
speaking of her late father could be "speak of late father time.LOC
voice.GEN tension" or similar.

For the money sentence, the parse might look like "how-much.ACC
find-out.CONN money.ACC give.NOMINAL need".


2007/6/30, Jeff Rollin <jeff.rollin@...>:
> Hi all > > I've been trying to get back into conlanging. I was inspired by John > Crowe's "Deciphering Conlangs" thread into trying to compose a little text in > my conlang Vn for the members to decipher, when I realized that although I > wanted to do without relative, coordinate and subordinate clauses, and use > participles and the like instead, I had no idea how to go about it. > > Using pseudo-English as a metalanguage, I got as far as abolishing relative > clauses, e.g. instead of: > > "I saw the man who owns an Audi and lives on our street in the Post Office > today" > > you would say: > > "I saw the Audi-owning-CONN living-on-our-street-CONN man in the Post Office > today" > > where -CONN marks a connecting particle attached to each of the phrases which > in English would be joined by "and"; > > But I'm having trouble working out what I would need in place of finite verbs > (and/or conjunctions) in examples such as: > > "I'll always remember the tension in her voice //when she spoke of her late > father/as the train pulled out of the station and receded into the distance// > > Or: > > "Before I can get it for you, you need to find out how much it is and give me > the money, please." > > Does your conlang do this? How do you do it? Are there natlangs which do this? > I'd appreciate any pointers. > > TIA > > Jeff > -- > "Please understand that there are small > European principalities devoted to debating > Tcl vs. Perl as a tourist attraction." > > -- Cameron Laird >


Jeff Rollin <jeff.rollin@...>