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R: Re: "Roumant", or maybe Narbonósc.Part VII

From:Mangiat <mangiat@...>
Date:Wednesday, January 3, 2001, 7:52
Christophe wrote:

> > Yep, as in Arveuneic, apeglarse, from apegler (note, when pronouns are > > suffixed to the infinitive of -er verbs, which were originally -are > > verbs, > > the thematic vowel reverts to a). Also in Carashan (my "peudo-Romance" > > lang), eumerse. > > > > Where does your verb apeglarse come from? I suppose it's cognate from
> "s'appeler" and I'm wondering where this one comes from too :) .
"s'appeler" should be from 'se appellare', being appellare a compund ad+pello which meant 'to call'. In Italian the verb appellare (used in the reflexive:-arsi) means also 'to plead'. In French it has developped another meaning.
> > Hmm. I've decided. In Arveuneic, to express a relationship of any > > serious > > sort (i.e. "partner" not just "boyfriend"), you use òmu "man" or féuma > > "woman". So I would say "le meun òmu s'apegle Steve". Or if I had a > > girlfriend (!) I would say "la mea féuma s'apègle Maria". However, if > > Maria > > was my wife, I would say "la mea féuma en leic", literally "my woman in > > law". To refer to "the wife" or "the old man", people jocularly tend to > > say > > "la dòma" or "le dôum", from domina/dominus. People also use these for > > "Mr" > > and "Mrs": jeu m'apègli dôum Jones "I'm Mr Jones", ou ès le dôum Jones? > > "Where's Mr Jones?" > > > > Oh, I had forgotten to say that as in Portuguese and Country French, the > definite article is used with names, unless those are used to call
> Strangely enough, the definite article becomes optional when dom/dône:
Mr/Ms is
> used.
Spoken (Northern) Italian uses articles almost everywhere (io sono il Luca - I am *the* Luca - is not so strange). The national language uses articles with names only if these are surnames of important people (generally great writers or historical personalities): l'Alighieri, il Manzoni, il Cavour. If signore/signora/signorina do appear, the name generally takes the article: sono il signor Mangiat; but: mi chiamo signor Mangiat. Strange, uh?
> "Seniorem" gave "seigneur", "sieur" (yes, it's the origin of monsieur:
> senior") and "sire" in French.
In Lombard dialects it became even sciuur /Su:r/! In Italian it is signore /sin^ore/; we have also a sire /sire/ but I fear it is a French loanword. Luca