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Re: Oops, forgot something...

From:Nik Taylor <yonjuuni@...>
Date:Saturday, January 10, 2004, 7:26
Marty Rosenberg wrote:
> > I forgot to mention a few things that I could especially use help > with, although everything is pretty much a blank slate for me. > > First, I have difficulty coming up with words. I tried using roots and > particles to do so, but then I realized something else: I have > difficulty coming up with those too. Is there any system I should know > of that could help me along these lines? > > Also, in simple terms, what possible variants are there for > conjugating verbs, and which should I use (although I do realize that > this is entirely up to opinion)? I know of person (1st, 2nd, 2nd 1/2, > 3rd), number, state of being (inanimate vs. animate vs. human, etc.), > mood (indicative vs. subjunctive), time period (past, present, > future), speaker, listener, and... um... whatever you call the > comparison between simple, perfective, and progressive conjugations. > And add the imperative in there too, wherever that goes.
What's "2 1/2"? Do you know about the inclusive/exclusive distinction in 1st person plural? That is, whether or not the listener is being included in "we"? In Japanese you can have the following: Negation (Negative is actually an inflection of the verb, e.g., Wakaru - understand Wakaranai - doesn't/don't understand) Politeness (Wakaru - undertand, Wakarimasu - understand, when speaking to a superior or stranger) Some other forms: Kaetta - Went home Kaecchatta - (Unfortunately) went home Kaerareta - Went home - technically a passive form, but can be used to indicate that someone was adversely affected by the action, e.g., "Ano hito wa kaetta", "That person went home", "Boku wa ano hito ni kaerareta", "I was adversely affected by his going home", "I was inconvenienced by the fact that he went home" Kaette ageta - Went home to benefit another Kaeritai - I want to go home Kaeritagaru - Want(s) to go home (non-1st person) Kaeraseru - Cause to go home Kaerihajimeru - Begin to go home (hajimeru = begin) Kaeru tsumori da - Intend to go home Kaeru koto ga aru - There are times when ___ go(es) home Kaereru - Be able to go home Kaereba - If ___ go(es) home Kaerou - Let's go home/ I'll go home Kaette hoshii - Want (someone else) to go home Kaette morau - Have someone go home (subject "receives a favorable action from someone") morau = receive Kaette kureru - Go home (for my sake or someone near me) kureru = give Kaette miru - Try to go home miru = see Kaette oku - Go home (in preparation for some future event) oku = put Most of these are auxilaries, which can be combined, so that the inflections aren't as hard as they'd seem. Some languages will inflect for "evidentiality", showing how the speaker knows what is being said. For example, you may have the following: Visual: I saw this event occur Sensory: I know it thru a sense other than sight (heard it happen, etc) Cognitive: I'm basing this on evidence (for example, with a sentence like "The dog ate the fish", it might be used if I saw fish bones near the dog, and the dog looked like he'd just eaten) Circumstantial: I don't actually have evidence, but based on previously known facts, I think this is what happened (e.g., with "The dog ate the fish", perhaps the fish was raw, and since people don't eat raw fish, it must've been the dog) Hearsay: Someone else told me this -- "There's no such thing as 'cool'. Everyone's just a big dork or nerd, you just have to find people who are dorky the same way you are." - overheard ICQ: 18656696 AIM Screen-Name: NikTaylor42