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Re: USAGE: YAGPT (was Re: YASPR -- Yet Another Swedish Pronunciation Rant (fuit: THEORY: NATLANGS: Phonology and Phonetics: Tetraphthongs, Triphthongs, Diphthongs))

From:Henrik Theiling <theiling@...>
Date:Monday, May 29, 2006, 12:10

Andreas Johansson writes:
> Citerar Philip Newton <philip.newton@...>: > >... > > I presume you mean [o2] for |eu, äu|? That seems wrong for me; I've > > seen it rendered [OY], though, and that seems to match what I say > > pretty well. > > FWIW, my German textbook writes [ae Ao O2] for |ei au eu|, whereas Duden writes > |ai au Oy|. I've also seen [OY], but I can't recall seeing it with a mid-high > initial element before. [o2] would be a flat diphthong, which feels wrong to > me. > > Now, it's probably pronounced as [uQ] in some dialect just to spite me ...
:-) In the text-to-speech system I helped implementing once, the phones were written as [aI], [aU] and [OI], but the latter was probably more like [OY] for the two given speakers. Duden, unless the 'Ausspracheduden' usually seems to use a strange mixture of phonemic and phonetic description, so using [i] and [u] and [y] as the second part instead of the lax counterparts, might be for simplicity reasons. If you use the lax variants, you're exactly were our T2S system was, and I think 'Ausspracheduden' uses those, too. I find [A] quite strange, actually, since I'd find it at best heavy dialect to use a back vowel for any /a/ in German, which should be contralised (so [a_"U)] and [a_"I)] would probably be most precise for most speakers). Long /a:/ is often given as [A:] in dictionaries, but I think mainly for historical reasons and/or to include the quality distinction made in coastal dialects. Anyway. Talking about dialects, for myself I doubt that I really pronounce [OY] or [aU] (short for [a_"U)]). My own classification for myself would be [Oe] (yes, I'm quite sure about missing rounding here) and [ao] (or better [a_"o]), but I'd probably need a recording and a spectrum analysis to really be sure. I still write [OY] and [aU] to not confuse readers too much. :-) **Henrik