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USAGE: YAGPT (was Re: YASPR -- Yet Another Swedish Pronunciation Rant (fuit: THEORY: NATLANGS: Phonology and Phonetics: Tetraphthongs, Triphthongs, Diphthongs))

From:Philip Newton <philip.newton@...>
Date:Monday, May 29, 2006, 9:37
On 5/29/06, Benct Philip Jonsson <bpj@...> wrote:
> Andreas Johansson skrev: > > Quoting Benct Philip Jonsson <bpj@...>: > > > >> I am a semi-native speaker of German, > >>but I've seen German |ei| transcribed as [ae] as well... > > > > [ae] is probably the commonest transcription in my experience. > > Yes, with corresponding [ao] and [o2] for the other two diphthongs.
I presume you mean [o2] for |eu, äu|? That seems wrong for me; I've seen it rendered [OY], though, and that seems to match what I say pretty well. If I feel my mouth's shape while saying, say, "Häuser", my mouth seems to start in the same place as H_o_ttentotten and finish in the same place as H_ü_tte, which I believe are [O] and [Y], respectively. I hadn't seen [ae, ao] for |ei, au| before, but when pronouncing "mein Haus", it does seem to be pretty close to the truth -- [main haus] is "obviously" the same phonemes but sounds a bit off; perhaps a bit exaggerated or something. [maen haos] seems quite a bit closer to how I'd actually say it. Cheers, -- Philip Newton <philip.newton@...>


Andreas Johansson <andjo@...>