Talarian/Yllurian was Re: Thagojian and Wenetaic (was: Order of letters)

--- Jan van Steenbergen <ijzeren_jan@...>
wrote:

> What I know for certain is that I don't have your
> Talarian/Yllurian yet.
> BTW What's the difference between those two?
Talarian and Yllurian are fairly closely related Aryan
languages. The Proto-Talarians moved into the regions
of the Whythywyndel Hills some 2000 years ago,
arriving in a place and time of turmoil in the East
(the old Hoopellish Empire was rapidly decaying; the
old kingdom of Yllem was also dying and several other
states were near or in ruins: all of them would be
swept away within the next 5 centuries by new invaders
from the south (mostly Aryans)). They moved into the
old lands of Yllem, sovereignty of which was
transferred to a monarch elected from the
Proto-Talarian nobles. [For the curious, the only
snippet of Yllemese that survives is an inscription
engraved within the Crown: "a : vworend :rorûn : cers
: a" the precise meaning of which is long lost, but
seems to mean either 'the king leaves the world' or
'the king enters the world'; "rûn" being somewhat
ambiguous. This phrase is spoken when the Crown is
transferred from one king to another. It's a Big C
Crown on account of it being one of perhaps three bona
fide and recognisable crowns that rest on noble heads
anywhere in the world. It is basically a thick band of
silver some four inches wide by half an inch thick,
which some king in ancient time thought would look
really impressive with bits of gold wire soldered on.]

The modern Yllurians are those that stayed on in
Yllem; the Talarians are those that wandered into the
lands north of Severn, and inhabit the stretch of
plains between that river and the darkness of the
Anian Desolation to the north.

Linguistically, Talarian is quite conservative. It is
in some points similar to Hittite (and English),
having a "primitive" verbal system of two tenses, it's
nouns are declined in eight cases in the singular and
four in the dual and plural. There are also some
similarities to Tocharian that escape me at the mo.

Yllurian is more innovative. It retains a simple
verbal system (but has added the complexity of
conjoined and disjoined forms); and its nominal
declension is much simplified. It's phonology is also
quite different. I haven't worked as much on Y.,
though, so really can't say too much!

Here's a parallel text, Talarian first:

wárkaççweti saç-he wiros-to:
   pâtâto pataxartassan-ca-he;
   pâtâto xowan-can-he;
   ffrencato pûrahamtar-ta pûray-ca sactuça-he.

terdoenó-ari hevergedonin ha:
   haþ þeþity ta craema tayos gernentevoe;
   haþ edeverity ta havió;
   haþ ademandenity hayos þaceþ egny to detecevó.

These things a man must do:
   feed the hungry;
   feed the cattle;
   bring firewood to the holy fire.

Believe me, if we looked close, there'd be cognates!
You should at least recognise pûra- and egny- as the
words for "fire" in the respective languages.

If you like, I'll poke around for numbers in all the
IE based languages I've got.

Padraic.


=====
raps il tenós mathin la ngouerma;
     mays comez le nces il luchets le secund.

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