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Talarian/Yllurian was Re: Thagojian and Wenetaic (was: Order of letters)

From:Padraic Brown <elemtilas@...>
Date:Tuesday, September 24, 2002, 1:10
--- Jan van Steenbergen <ijzeren_jan@...>

> What I know for certain is that I don't have your > Talarian/Yllurian yet. > BTW What's the difference between those two?
Talarian and Yllurian are fairly closely related Aryan languages. The Proto-Talarians moved into the regions of the Whythywyndel Hills some 2000 years ago, arriving in a place and time of turmoil in the East (the old Hoopellish Empire was rapidly decaying; the old kingdom of Yllem was also dying and several other states were near or in ruins: all of them would be swept away within the next 5 centuries by new invaders from the south (mostly Aryans)). They moved into the old lands of Yllem, sovereignty of which was transferred to a monarch elected from the Proto-Talarian nobles. [For the curious, the only snippet of Yllemese that survives is an inscription engraved within the Crown: "a : vworend :rorûn : cers : a" the precise meaning of which is long lost, but seems to mean either 'the king leaves the world' or 'the king enters the world'; "rûn" being somewhat ambiguous. This phrase is spoken when the Crown is transferred from one king to another. It's a Big C Crown on account of it being one of perhaps three bona fide and recognisable crowns that rest on noble heads anywhere in the world. It is basically a thick band of silver some four inches wide by half an inch thick, which some king in ancient time thought would look really impressive with bits of gold wire soldered on.] The modern Yllurians are those that stayed on in Yllem; the Talarians are those that wandered into the lands north of Severn, and inhabit the stretch of plains between that river and the darkness of the Anian Desolation to the north. Linguistically, Talarian is quite conservative. It is in some points similar to Hittite (and English), having a "primitive" verbal system of two tenses, it's nouns are declined in eight cases in the singular and four in the dual and plural. There are also some similarities to Tocharian that escape me at the mo. Yllurian is more innovative. It retains a simple verbal system (but has added the complexity of conjoined and disjoined forms); and its nominal declension is much simplified. It's phonology is also quite different. I haven't worked as much on Y., though, so really can't say too much! Here's a parallel text, Talarian first: wárkaççweti saç-he wiros-to: pâtâto pataxartassan-ca-he; pâtâto xowan-can-he; ffrencato pûrahamtar-ta pûray-ca sactuça-he. terdoenó-ari hevergedonin ha: haþ þeþity ta craema tayos gernentevoe; haþ edeverity ta havió; haþ ademandenity hayos þaceþ egny to detecevó. These things a man must do: feed the hungry; feed the cattle; bring firewood to the holy fire. Believe me, if we looked close, there'd be cognates! You should at least recognise pûra- and egny- as the words for "fire" in the respective languages. If you like, I'll poke around for numbers in all the IE based languages I've got. Padraic. ===== raps il tenós mathin la ngouerma; mays comez le nces il luchets le secund. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo!


Jan van Steenbergen <ijzeren_jan@...>