Re: Inherently Reflexive Verbs (was: mental masturbation)

Boudewijn Rempt wrote:
>
> (I fear that this will be more concultury than conlangy, and I promise
> that if it deviates even more from the straight & narrow linguistics, I
> will take it off the list...)
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>
> In the case of Classical Latin, I can only cite Adams (1982), and not
> begin a classicist, I don't know how reliable he is. I'd be rather
> surprised if from frico, sollicito, tango, tracto, contrecto, truso,
> trudo, tero, haero, deglubo, glubo, rado, manus fututrix and molo none
> had survived the fall of the empire... Besides,  _masturbari_ is attested
> in Martial 9, 41: ...Omnia perdiderant, si masturbatus uterque...
> (Not bad for a copy of Martial from 1853 - it's not bowdlerized, as
> I feared when I bought it.) I'm also reminded of that charming miniature
> in the Hours of Duc de Berry, where the peasants are warming their
> nobility by the fire.
Hmmm.  Good old "glubo" I remember from that poem by Catullus... back in
my salad days when I was intensively studying Latin.  But verimak...
I'm interested to know that the masturbari goes back as far as Martial.
I think Payer must be referring to more strictly medieval (non) usage.

> (I've just been informed that this is probably a cultural/linguistic
> issue: I tend to think of masturbation as a solitary act, and as soon as
> lovers touch each other, it's no longer masturbation. In this respect
> I think Denden is very much a calque of the way I think myself.)
Seems many conlang/cultures are.

Sally