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Re: R: Re: R: Moraic codas [was Re: 'Yemls Morphology]

From:And Rosta <a.rosta@...>
Date:Tuesday, July 17, 2001, 2:33
Luca:
> And wrote:
[...]
> > Here's my suggested formulation: > > > > Stress the rightmost bimoraic syllable or the antepenult mora, whichever > > is the rightmost. > > > > * If 'antepenult' means antepenult mora: > > 1. Codas are moraic; hence IRmaden, irMANden, *IRmanden -- /man/ is > > bimoraic. > > 2. Word-final Cs are not moraic: hence IRmaden, *irMAden. > > This is a very good explanation. > > > (2) could be explained by treating final Cs as onsets. A test would be > > what happens if final CC clusters are allowed. > > They *shouldn't* be allowed. > > > We would predict that the > > final syllable of CC-final words would attract stress because it is > > bimoraic, e.g. irmaDENT. > > I agree with you. But I really don't know if the language will allow CC > clusters word finally. > > > If, though, the stress were IRmadent or irMAdent, then the story would > > have to change. Can we have more data please? > > Let's suppose that such a word would be allowed:
Luca, are you sure you're using a monowidth font in drawing your diagrams? I'm receiving them in plain text encoding, but they're out of alignment.
> *i r m a: d e n t > | | /\ | | > µ µ µ µ µ µ > \/ \/ \/ > s s s > /irma'dent/ > > But what would happen if the _a_ were short??? > > *i r m a d e n t > | | | | | > µ µ µ µ µ > \/ | \/ > s s s > /irma'dent/ > > What should I do with that mora there in, alone???
What's the problem? the /ma/ is a monomoraic syllable. Stress falls on the rightmost bimoraic syllable, viz. /den/. BTW, the final /t/, being an onset, could be seen as a kind of zero-moraic syllable... [NB I am not a Licensed Phonologist; Dirk is our official phonology wonk and guru.] --And.

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