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Re: OT: /x\/ (was: English and front rounded vowels)

From:Benct Philip Jonsson <bpj@...>
Date:Wednesday, December 12, 2007, 12:20
On 2007-12-11 John Vertical wrote:
 > BTW, would you happen to kno if anyone actually
 > labiodentalizes the sound anymore? Lingual details aside
 > ([s`_P] ~ [f_G]...), that's what, over here in Finland,
 > is AIUI thought of as the "pedantical" pronunciation.
 > (While, as you say, "everyone sensible" here uses [S] ~
 > [s\] ~ [s`].)

At least around here (the West Coast of Sweden) the strongly
labi(odent)alized versions are receding but labialization as
such is not gone. As for the 'pure' [x\] it ain't labialized
but a [xS)] coarticulation. I have no idea about when and
where it is or was spontaneously used.

I've heard some people in the north of Sweden use /f/
instead of /S/ in some loan words learnt from radio and
television, BTW. I wonder if even [X] can sound like [f] to
those who lack it in their own lect?

Anecdote #2: Once on the radio I heard a guy call in who
used a so weak [x] that his _jourarbetare_ sounded like

/BP 8^)>
Benct Philip Jonsson -- melroch atte melroch dotte se
   "C'est en vain que nos Josués littéraires crient
   à la langue de s'arrêter; les langues ni le soleil
   ne s'arrêtent plus. Le jour où elles se *fixent*,
   c'est qu'elles meurent."           (Victor Hugo)