Re: Building up a FAQ: Please reply

At 07:44 PM 1/18/02 -0500, Roger Mills wrote:
>Taliesin wrote:
>
> >Lets build a wordlist for this mailing list!
>
>For some reason, this only reached me today; I replied to Christophe's
>reply a few days ago.  Here's something I missed at that time:
    I never even got the original....

> >3s (linguistic): 2nd person singular pronoun, he, she, it
>
>Many langs. have a "4th person" or "3d pers. obviative", as in "he(a)
>thinks that he(b) should go away".   "5th person" is even possible, though
>probably not in any natlang. e.g. "he(a) thinks that he(b) is taller than
>him(c)"-- a problem I'm about to have to deal with in Kash syntax, which
>doesn't have 4th or 5th person.
    I do use 4th and 5th person in Rav Zarruvo.  4th person is 3rd person
obviative; 5th person would be what I guess you'd call "3rd person
adjunct."  Neither 4th or 5th person is present for the conversation; the
difference between the two is that 5th person is not present for the main
action of the conversation.  In a sentence like, "Jim borrowed his father's
car even though he had said not to," the "he" would refer to Jim's father,
who wasn't present for the main action of the sentence (the borrowing of
the car) and thus would be 5th person.

> >1d (linguistic): 1st person dual pronoun, I and you, we two
> >2d (linguistic): 2nd person dual pronoun, you two
> >3d (linguistic): 2nd person dual pronoun, they two
> >1p (linguistic): 1st person plural pronoun, we
>
>
>Very common: lst pl. inclusive 'I and others, including you'
>vs. lst pl. exclusive 'I and others, excluding you'
    Here's a thought for some of you building your pronouns: how about a
separate, distinct sense for 'I and you, but not others'?  :-]


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