Re: Cantonal spelling, take 3

erm... no offense... but as a native speaker of cantonese i think i
should finally say something: The 3 takes look horrible. Don't EVER
combine 2 words together... it's not done in cantonese, or chinese for
that matter... there is no break in speech between terms nor there is a
break when it's written.

i'm all for using IPA. simply use the whatever convention you use to
represent IPA symbols and put the tone number behind it. there is no
need to indicate vowel length, as it is not a factor in cantonese.

just name tones 1-9, 1-6 are the basic ones and 7-9 are the chopped
tones with p, t, k closing consonants.

toN1 = soup
toN2 = candy
toN3 = to iron
toN4 = sugar
kœy5 = he, she, it
gœy6 = gigantic
tik7 = check mark
lit8 = crack
lip9 = to hunt

i'm no expert on ipa symbols conventions but these are what i've been
using: N for ng, o for backward c (no confusion there, since there is
no "o" sound in cantonese... the are all backward "c").

i'll post a complete list of cantonese sound symbols later on...

-kvasir

--- John Cowan <jcowan@...> wrote:
> Well, I think it's easy to agree that take 2 sucked.  Here's the
> next take:
>
> Initials, base form: b d g gw, p t k kw, z c s, f h, m n ng, l, w y.
> Sidney Lau except for z instead of j, c instead of ch (HYPY
> compatibility)
>
> Main vowels: a aa e eu i o oo u ue. Sidney Lau.
>
> Tone 1: Double the initial letter; kw >kkw, gw > ggw.
>
> Tone 2: Change the final as follows:
>         vowel > vowel plus -r
>         i-glide > y
>         u-glide > w
>         m > mm
>         n > nn
>         ng > nng
>         p > pp
>         t > tt
>         k > kk
>
> Tone 3: Use the base form.
>
> Tones 4, 5, 6: same as 1, 2, 3 respectively, but with h
> after the last vowel letter.
>
> (Cantonese > Interdialectal tone map:
>         1 is 1 or 7a or 0; 2 is 3 or *; 3 is 5 or 7b;
>         4 is 2; 5 is 4; 6 is 6 or 8.)
>
> Same text as in take 2, but hopefully less like chop suey this time:
>
> Ssikzihk gorzahn si, yyauh yyatgohr yyahn, zeuhkzueh yyatgihn
> nuehnn'nuehnngeh cceuhngpow haih gor suer gging'gwo.  Keuhy leuhnng
> go
> zauh ccihngyuenn lahp yeuhk, yyuehgwor bbingo yauhr buhnnsih nnahng
> ssin
> sayddak gorgo yahn cceuihzor keuhy gorgihn pow, zauh suen
> bbingoge bbuhnsih taaih.
>
> (This is a conversion, not a fresh transcription, so may have
> errors.)
>
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