Re: USAGE: Cantonal spelling

laokou scripsit:

> Hu: T1 (53), T2 (13) (I hear 24ish), T3 (34), T4 (5, clipped, [only a
> glottal stop]), T5 (24?, clipped, [glottal stop]
I suppose 4 and 5 (cross-dialectal 7 and 8) can be identified with 1 and 2
if you like.

> (rising tones are marked by voiced initial consonants)
My understanding is that voiced initials are identified with tone 2.
BTW, is Hu a mere thinko for Wu, or an actual variant name?

> Yue: T1 (55), T2 (35), T3 (33), T4 (21), T5 (13), T6 (11) (I haven't figured
> out where clipped first tones fit into all of this)
Yue uniquely has 3 clipped tones due to a secondary tone split in
the yiin ruh category.  Essentially the high one is associated with
short vowels, the medium one with long vowels, a distinction that
other Sinitic langs don't have.

> Min: T1 (44), T2 (52), T3 (21), T4 (33, clipped), T5 (24), T7 (33), T8 (44,
> clipped)
Your table lists tone 2 as both yiin shaangh and yang shaangh, but here you
list 8 tones.  ???

> It's not *my* order
To be sure, and mine isn't *mine* either.

> I appreciate the
> difficulties you face, and look forward to the second cut.
Transparency is indeed the hard part: that and, of course, consistency.
The -x(h) for quh tones that end in a bare vowel is particularly ughly.

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