Re: Whatever happened to Cosseran?
|From:||Padraic Brown <pbrown@...>|
|Date:||Friday, November 10, 2000, 2:59|
On Thu, 9 Nov 2000, Dan Jones wrote:
>Padraic Brown wrote:
>> >In the recent spate of Romance-Conlanging, I decided to dust off
>> my own one,
>> >Cosseran. Originally based on Cossyra (tiny island in the
>> Mediterranean), it
>> >has now migrated to the Massif Central. Cosseran has always been quite
>> >Occitan, so I went the whole hog and now it has found a home in
>> Ill Bethisad
>> >(Brithenig Universe)- subject to ratification by the powers that be.
>> >*There* we've decided that the Occitan dialects are thriving in
>> the south of
>> >France, but have no concrete reason.
>> Actually there is. French history isn't well known to me, but it's
>> my understanding that Standard French became the national language
>> of modern France only after the Revolution and whatever policies
>> were put in place thereafter. Something *there* happened differently
>> in France such that the Revolution was either postponed or mitigated.
>> These policies never came to anything and all those revolutionary
>> policies either never happened or died very quickly without anyone
>> ever noticing their existence.
>I can't see any way of avoiding the French Revolution at that time. I know
>quite a bit about French history and the Revolution was something of an
>inevitability. The easiest changes to make in history are those which hinge
>on one person, Napoleon for example. Since France *there* is ruled by a
Having seen a documentary on N last night, removing him might clear
up some of the problems that would otherwise preclude the France that
_does_ exist *there*. Or a Nlike charcter might fill the vacuum, only
not quite as expansively.
>first consul, I assume that Napoleon came to power, so the Revolution must
>have taken place otherwise he never would have come to power at that time,
>because he played on the nationalistic sentiments created after the
>Revolution, with all it's talk of "la république une et indivisible". If we
>want to have a republican France and more than that, a unified Italy, we
>must have the 1789 revolution. We can't just say "something different
>happened". Besides, an independent Provence is a really cool idea. I presume
>that much of this was contrived to avoid the invention of decimalisation?
What we _need_ is for someone who knows *here*'s French history to
look at what *there*'s France is like and figure out how it happened.
Until someone does, all we really _can_ say is "something different
Agreed about the independant Provence idea.
Nondecimalisation? In part, yes. The US was already on it's way
to decimalisation (of the money only) by 1789; and definitely
had it in 1792 while the French still had sous and the rest. It
may not have swayed France into rampant decimal reform; but I'd
like to think we had a little influence there. Though in the end,
it's just going to be a matter of *there*'s postrevolutionary
France _not_ adopting measures reform, linguistic hegemony, and
>Yes they do:
>onic, dòic, treic, quatoric, quenic, seishic (or seic), dieic-sett,
>dieic-óic, dieic-nou, vint
>/onS/, /dOiS/, /trejS/, /'kwatorS/, /kwenS/, /sejSiS/ (/sejS/), /djeS'set/,
>/djeS'OjS/, /djeS'n@u/, /vInt/
How do they say merci? :)
>> >cuebra um deroát a zi sem,
>> >Break a piece of wood and I am there,
>> > cuoca um perro tu me meitera
>> > Dan Jones Lift a rock and you will find me
>> My goodness but you do get around, Dan!
>Student rail cards, Padraic.
Ah. That would explain rather a lot. So, British Rail leave no
stone unturned, eh?