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Re: Three vowel systems (was: Brr)

From:T. A. McLeay <conlang@...>
Date:Friday, August 3, 2007, 7:26
John Vertical wrote:
>> Joseph Fatula wrote: >>> T. A. McLeay wrote: >>>> Do I read you right in claiming a vowel system comprised of /i: i I: I >>>> 1: 1/? Is there an anadew for that? >>> It contains those sounds, yes. I'm not sure whether to call the last >>> vowel /1/ or /E/, it seems like it's somewhere in between those when I'm >>> pronouncing it. >> [1] and [E] aren't exactly nearby sounds unless you're using [1] to mean >> something other than a high central unrounded vowel i.e. IPA [ɨ]. >> "Somewhere in between" would be something like [@] or [I]. > > IMHO [7] or [V] sound a bit like " a mix of [i\] and [E]", especially if the > unrounding (lip spreding) is emphasized.
This is, I guess, a matter of opinion and the phonetics of your native language; to me [V] is all but indistinguishable from [O], and [7] sounds very similar to [M] and [5] (sic!). Neither sounds like [i\] or [E], nor a cross of the two.
>>> Is this a very strange system? It seems like Hungarian >>> has one about as complex. >> I have never heard of a language that has all of /i: i I: I/; indeed, my >> understanding is it's unheard of! Hungarian has a fairly boring system: >> /i: i y: y e: E 2: 2 Q A: o: o u: u/, some dialects also having /e/ (and >> all of /e: E e/ are quite low for those IPA symbols). >> >> Icelandic has /i I/ with two allophones each: [i: I:] in open syllables, >> [i I] in closed ones. But this is part of a regular/systematic process >> and is clearly allophonic; it is, however, the closest I know. > > There are some African langs that have both ATR/RTR and short/long vowel > distinctions, which results in /i i: I I:/. For one example, take Somali: > > > 'Fcors an ATR [i] vs RTR [I] distinction is not exactly the same as a plain [i I] > distinction, but I dout we're going to find anything better.
Hm. Interesting. I wonder what it actually sounds like. But, this is still only an anadoab ("a natlang duzzit ormost as bad"---if you can pardon a nonrhotic, nonlambdic inclusion in an acronym). Any takers on [i: i I: I 1: 1]? -- Tristan.