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Re: Requesting some challenging sentences

From:Gary Shannon <fiziwig@...>
Date:Sunday, October 30, 2005, 1:59
--- caotope <johnvertical@...> wrote:

> Okay, this is somewhat off the topic (with respect > to this thread, not > the list), but - I think I missed your point on the > complement of > "to". Why exactly can a verb not be its own > complement? I'd think the > copula was pretty much *defined* as the binary > operator for which a = > b and b = a are equal (or as the verb that *is* its > own complement). > (Unless you want to get philosophical on how you > perhaps cannot > include "equality" in the defition of the copula.)
Actually, I had thought of the Soaloa word "to" as meaning "has the attribute" (as I translated in a few early examples on the page) so that we could say "Apple has the attribute red" but not "Red has the attribute apple." No equality is meant by this meaning. A different word altogether would be needed to say "An apple is a fruit" because what we'd really be saying is "apple is a member of the class fruit" which is also not equality. In Soaloa, two things cannot be equal unless they are instances of the same thing, and then they can only be equal if they are not distinguished. Thus we could say "an electron is (equals) an electron" since they are all the same when not distinguished by location, but we could not say "This electron is (equlas) thyat electron since we are implying something that distinguishes them. And now that I think of it, yes, that is a philosophical stance. :-)
> Anyway, it seems to me that you have a sort of > animacy hierarchy in > place, approx. pronouns > nouns > adjectives, and > "ebo" (or > complementary verbs in general) is used when the "A" > word is higher of > the hierarchy than the "S" word. Is this correct? > Would "anlu to devu" > be ungrammatical?
"Anlu to devu" translates "New has-the-attribute house" which is ungrammatical. It should be "House has-the-attribute new." or "Devu to anlu." But then, it's all subject to change, anyway. ;-) --gary
> > John Vertical >


caotope <johnvertical@...>
Tim May <butsuri@...>