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Re: Tallefkeul: tones and whatnot

From:bnathyuw <bnathyuw@...>
Date:Tuesday, August 27, 2002, 12:09
 --- Andreas Johansson <and_yo@...> wrote: >
Christophe Grandsire wrote:
> > > And the word |a fre| cries out for a change > [fR]>[fX]>[X]. I swear! > > > > > > >Not in my French mouth. The [fR] cluster is quite > stable for me ;))) . > >Although > >if I was really phonetic it would probably be > [fR_0] indeed (voice > >assimilation > >in Maggel is strong, but liquids, rhotics and > nasals are usually > >transparent to > >it, meaning that they get voiced or unvoiced, but > don't trigger a change of > >voice themselves. Because of that, I allow myself > to not be exactly > >phonetic in > >my transcriptions. Just "phonetic enough"). But I > may invent a few words > >later > >with the digraph |fr| marking [x] ;))) (after all, > I already have |ufd| > >pronounced [&g], so that wouldn't be much worse > ;))) . > > What's the difference 'tween [X] and [R_0]? Tense vs > lax? Or am I > misremembering the X-SAMPA - I take [R] to be an > voiced uvular fricative, > not a trill or approximant. > > And just cus a cluster 's stable in your mouth, it > doesn't have to be that > in the Maggelians'. My conlangs involve a number of > sounds I can hardly > pronounce myself (most notable is perhaps the > complete palatal series in > Classical Vaikin). And the Tairezans find [m] > unpronounceable except when > initial or followed by /p/ or /b/. The Yargish cheat > by being physically > unable to produce [m]. >
i'm still trying to work out what the tolerance for clusters should be in bac the morphology of the language leads to various forms such as bca /btSa/, speaker adihtr /adITt4/ area of shade jga /dZga/ inflammable substance rka /4ka/ friend i'm trying to work out whether they should stay in that form or take the affix t(a)-/-(a)t which is usually used when words cannot be directly modified tabca adihtrat tajgat tarka i may make it optional, but i'm still trying to decide whether to come down on one side or the other bn by the way, new favourite word : |terak|, 'coal' ( stolen from the greek |anthrax|, |anThRaK-| derived forms so far: terak, coal terek, charcoal terik, coal gas teruk, anthracite aterk, coal mine terka, miner eterk, place where charcoal is prepared, copse terke, charcoal burner, sketch-drawer, cartoonist teralk, black compound : jegaterek, barbecue ( the fire ) ejgaterek, barbecue ( the vessel ) Jegaterek, to barbecue ( ie both of the person cooking food on a barbecue and of the food on the barbecue, altho not at the same time ! ) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts


Thomas R. Wier <trwier@...>