Re: Tallefkeul: tones and whatnot

Christophe Grandsire wrote:
> > And the word |a fre| cries out for a change [fR]>[fX]>[X]. I swear!
> >
>
>Not in my French mouth. The [fR] cluster is quite stable for me ;))) .
>Although
>if I was really phonetic it would probably be [fR_0] indeed (voice
>assimilation
>in Maggel is strong, but liquids, rhotics and nasals are usually
>transparent to
>it, meaning that they get voiced or unvoiced, but don't trigger a change of
>voice themselves. Because of that, I allow myself to not be exactly
>phonetic in
>my transcriptions. Just "phonetic enough"). But I may invent a few words
>later
>with the digraph |fr| marking [x] ;))) (after all, I already have |ufd|
>pronounced [&g], so that wouldn't be much worse ;))) .
What's the difference 'tween [X] and [R_0]? Tense vs lax? Or am I
misremembering the X-SAMPA - I take [R] to be an voiced uvular fricative,
not a trill or approximant.

And just cus a cluster 's stable in your mouth, it doesn't have to be that
in the Maggelians'. My conlangs involve a number of sounds I can hardly
pronounce myself (most notable is perhaps the complete palatal series in
Classical Vaikin). And the Tairezans find [m] unpronounceable except when
initial or followed by /p/ or /b/. The Yargish cheat by being physically
unable to produce [m].

                                            Andreas

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