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Re: Tallefkeul: tones and whatnot

From:Andreas Johansson <and_yo@...>
Date:Tuesday, August 27, 2002, 11:49
Christophe Grandsire wrote:
> > And the word |a fre| cries out for a change [fR]>[fX]>[X]. I swear! > > > >Not in my French mouth. The [fR] cluster is quite stable for me ;))) . >Although >if I was really phonetic it would probably be [fR_0] indeed (voice >assimilation >in Maggel is strong, but liquids, rhotics and nasals are usually >transparent to >it, meaning that they get voiced or unvoiced, but don't trigger a change of >voice themselves. Because of that, I allow myself to not be exactly >phonetic in >my transcriptions. Just "phonetic enough"). But I may invent a few words >later >with the digraph |fr| marking [x] ;))) (after all, I already have |ufd| >pronounced [&g], so that wouldn't be much worse ;))) .
What's the difference 'tween [X] and [R_0]? Tense vs lax? Or am I misremembering the X-SAMPA - I take [R] to be an voiced uvular fricative, not a trill or approximant. And just cus a cluster 's stable in your mouth, it doesn't have to be that in the Maggelians'. My conlangs involve a number of sounds I can hardly pronounce myself (most notable is perhaps the complete palatal series in Classical Vaikin). And the Tairezans find [m] unpronounceable except when initial or followed by /p/ or /b/. The Yargish cheat by being physically unable to produce [m]. Andreas _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos:


bnathyuw <bnathyuw@...>
Christophe Grandsire <christophe.grandsire@...>
Philip Newton <philip.newton@...>