Re: Tallefkeul: tones and whatnot

En réponse à Andreas Johansson <and_yo@...>:

>
> What's the difference 'tween [X] and [R_0]? Tense vs lax? Or am I
> misremembering the X-SAMPA - I take [R] to be an voiced uvular
> fricative,
> not a trill or approximant.
>
You're right, and indeed [R] is the voiced uvular fricative. As for the
difference between [R_0] and [X], it's quite comparable with the difference
between C sharp and D flat ;))) . It depends on the instrument ;))) . I
personally find the unvoiced [R_0] I pronounce by assimilation with a voiceless
consonant quite different from [X]. It may be because my [R]s are actually not
far from being approximants. So [R_0] feels much less strong than [X].

> And just cus a cluster 's stable in your mouth, it doesn't have to be
> that
> in the Maggelians'.
Hehe, as a rule of thumb the Maggelians are able to make many more distinctions
than I do (I am still learning to pronounce a correct [M\] :)) ). So if I find
a cluster stable, they do too. And if I don't, it doesn't mean that they don't
;))) . In fact, they most certainly do ;))))) .

 My conlangs involve a number of sounds I can
> hardly
> pronounce myself (most notable is perhaps the complete palatal series
> in
> Classical Vaikin).
Maggel also has palatals (not stops, but it's not because I can't pronounce
them ;))) . Actually I can ;) ), including the clusters [sC] and [zj\], which
are still a mystery for me :)))) .

 And the Tairezans find [m] unpronounceable except
> when
> initial or followed by /p/ or /b/. The Yargish cheat by being
> physically
> unable to produce [m].
>
Hehe, the Itakians only have one nasal, /n/ and one liquid /r/ (no lateral).
The result is that their nasal can be of any position, and assimilates very
easily ;)) .

And what about the Sky People, who have only one fricative /s/, which can be
realised as [s], [z], [S] or [Z] ;)))) .

Still, for the speakers of Maggel the cluster [fR_0] is stable ;))) . They are
used to more complicated clusters too. What about the opposite of |a fre|:
first: |a mile| [@ mbreId]: last ;)))))

Christophe.

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