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Re: Tallefkeul: tones and whatnot

From:Christophe Grandsire <christophe.grandsire@...>
Date:Tuesday, August 27, 2002, 12:19
En réponse à Andreas Johansson <and_yo@...>:

> > What's the difference 'tween [X] and [R_0]? Tense vs lax? Or am I > misremembering the X-SAMPA - I take [R] to be an voiced uvular > fricative, > not a trill or approximant. >
You're right, and indeed [R] is the voiced uvular fricative. As for the difference between [R_0] and [X], it's quite comparable with the difference between C sharp and D flat ;))) . It depends on the instrument ;))) . I personally find the unvoiced [R_0] I pronounce by assimilation with a voiceless consonant quite different from [X]. It may be because my [R]s are actually not far from being approximants. So [R_0] feels much less strong than [X].
> And just cus a cluster 's stable in your mouth, it doesn't have to be > that > in the Maggelians'.
Hehe, as a rule of thumb the Maggelians are able to make many more distinctions than I do (I am still learning to pronounce a correct [M\] :)) ). So if I find a cluster stable, they do too. And if I don't, it doesn't mean that they don't ;))) . In fact, they most certainly do ;))))) . My conlangs involve a number of sounds I can
> hardly > pronounce myself (most notable is perhaps the complete palatal series > in > Classical Vaikin).
Maggel also has palatals (not stops, but it's not because I can't pronounce them ;))) . Actually I can ;) ), including the clusters [sC] and [zj\], which are still a mystery for me :)))) . And the Tairezans find [m] unpronounceable except
> when > initial or followed by /p/ or /b/. The Yargish cheat by being > physically > unable to produce [m]. >
Hehe, the Itakians only have one nasal, /n/ and one liquid /r/ (no lateral). The result is that their nasal can be of any position, and assimilates very easily ;)) . And what about the Sky People, who have only one fricative /s/, which can be realised as [s], [z], [S] or [Z] ;)))) . Still, for the speakers of Maggel the cluster [fR_0] is stable ;))) . They are used to more complicated clusters too. What about the opposite of |a fre|: first: |a mile| [@ mbreId]: last ;))))) Christophe. Take your life as a movie: do not let anybody else play the leading role.


Philip Newton <philip.newton@...>