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Re: Lax counterpart of [&]?

From:Isidora Zamora <isidora@...>
Date:Sunday, September 14, 2003, 21:17
At 02:27 PM 9/14/03 -0400, you wrote:
>On Sat, Sep 13, 2003 at 10:13:00AM -0400, Isidora Zamora wrote: > > Now I'm really confused! From looking at the charts, I was under the > > impression that [&] was a low front (tense) *rounded* vowel. But I'm > > pretty certain that I don't pronounce "path" and "pat" with a rounded > > vowel, but with an unrounded one. I've always thought that it was [{] that > > I used for those. > >Oh! Were you originally asking about X-SAMPA [&]?? I, and I believe >the other respondents, assumed you meant IPA ash, X-SAMPA [{], which we >usually use [&] for on here (and on sci.lang, too, I've noticed). > >-Mark
I (Isidora) was not the original enquirer. I expect that the original enquirer was asking about ash. I simply looked up the & symbol on an online X-SAMPA chart and autimatically assumed that the valuse shown there was the value being discussed. I a pretty new to the list and had no idea that most people ussed & to represent ash. Now I know. Somewhere in this thread someone (but I'll never find it in my mailbox now) asserted that there was no lax version of [&] (presumably he was talkning about ash.) It seems to me, though, that I could swear that I remember one professor actually demonstrating tense and lax versions of ash. IIRC, one of them was a variation used in stressed syllables in certain dialects of American English. I don't recall any notation for it (other than diacritics, perhaps.) The difference was fairly slight, but perceptible. Isidora

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