Re: French and German (jara: An introduction)
| From: | Markus Miekk-oja <fam.miekk-oja@...> |
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| Date: | Saturday, June 7, 2003, 10:55 |
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> OK, there's _bruka_ which could go well here, and you could add a
> thing
> like _måste_ or whatnot. (has _bör_ a perfect? ;-))
>That would be _har bort_, that's not a common form. Swedish modals tend to
be
lacking certain forms, which brings us to _måste_, whose infinitive
(_måsta_)
only exists in some northern dialects. For many people, _måste_ is the only
from of this verb (I have three; _måste_, _har måst_, _hade måst_).
You don't have a clean past, or does it coincide with present?
Me, I got,
infinitive ti måst / ti mått
present måst / mått
past måsta / måtta
perfect har måsta / måtta
pluperfect hadd måsta / måtta
bör has
infinitive ti bourd, ti boul
present bourdar
past bourda
perfect har bourda
pluperfect hadd bourda
This is one of those northern dialects, of course. (Just to back up Daniel's
claim.)
the mått- forms are not indigenous to my village.
>But yes, _att bruka hoppas kunna äta_ works. That's four infinitives. _Att
böra bruka hoppas kunna äta_ is straining my Sprachgefühl, but I wouldn't
say
it's ungrammatical.
Ti bourd bryuk hoppas kun jäät?
"Ti bourd bö'öv bryuk föshök hoppas vil kun jäät" - that's two more, but
it's extreme. (This mastodont only could have uses in threatment of eating
disorders - The patient ought (to need (to use (to try (to hope (to want (to
be able (to eat)))))).
(In english, and probably real Swedish, mxing need and ought, behöver och
bör, doesn't make very much sense. In my dialect, "need" - bö'öv, or bihöv
(which hasn't got any distinct present ending) expresses more of a
suggestion when used as an auxiliary.
> > > The futurum perfectum can get pretty bad; _han kommer att ha
> > > kunnat prova köra go-kart_.
>>
>> See? That’s' what I mean.
>But that's only two infinitives.
It's three - att ha is one, prova is one köra is one. Always fun to have the
auxiliry as an infinitive.
I wonder whether forms like kunnat - blackout, can't recall their name -
actually could be counted as a kind of infinitive (with relative tense).
Markus
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