>Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 08:14:01 +0100
>From: Benct Philip Jonsson <bpj@...>
>Subject: Re: Diphthongs (was Re: 3 q's - X-Sampa)
>
>It should perhaps be pointed out to you that Finnish 'diphthongs'
>are somewhat atypical. They sound disyllabic compared to German
>or Italian diphthongs.
Ha! So this is the thing I should have asked about in the first place. Can
you explain the difference any closer? And/or diphthongs in general?
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>Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 20:32:46 -0600
>From: Nik Taylor <yonjuuni@...>
>Subject: Re: Diphthongs (was Re: 3 q's - X-Sampa)
>
>Can you hear the difference between those two (/kai.e/ and /lo.je/)?
Yes. That would be [lo.je] and [kai.e], [kai.je], [kaj.je], or etc. One of
them begins with a short syllable, the other with a long one.
>If
>so, you could analyze it as being an underlying contrast between /ai/
>and /aj/ that's only *phonetically* realized when followed by a vowel,
>much like in German between words like /rad/ and /rat/ (I'm not sure if
>these are actual words),
_Rad_ "wheel" and _Rat_ "advice".
>where they're phonetically both [rat], but when
>you add a suffix, like -en, the difference reappears.
True. On the other hand, wouldn't that be practically the same as saying
that the plurals (and other forms with a vowel following) are irregular,
since the opposition doesn't exist when a consonant or pause follows.
And it doesn't give me an excuse to spell them differently. What I'm trying
to do is to make up my mind on how these things should be analyzed and spelled,
and understand *why* I'm doing it just that way and not some other... and
that's why I'm asking stupid questions; I want to understand this better.
>--
>"There's no such thing as 'cool'. Everyone's just a big dork or nerd,
>you just have to find people who are dorky the same way you are." -
Am trying to...
-M. Astrand
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