Re: CHAT: con-this'n'that

Raymond A. Brown scripsit:

> *Here* the last AngloSaxon monarch was Edward the Confessor(1042 - 1066).
> I understand that *there* also, the Normans invaded our island and somehow
> the Plantagenet dynasty, descendants of the ancient counts of Anjou,
> established itself.  Only difference is that, for some reason, *there* the
> Plantagenets still occupy the English throne.
The claim of the current Royal House to the name "Plantagenet" is rather
twisted.  No legitimate, fully recognized descendants of the original
line of Anjou remain.  After the Wars of the Roses, James IV Stuart married
an English princess (true both *here* and *there*) but his son did not die
early, and became King of England and Scotland, James I/V.

The Stuarts held both
thrones essentially unopposed until 1807, when Henry VII (who *here* became
Cardinal-Archbishop of York *in partibus infidelium*) died.
His niece Victoria took the Anglo/Scottish thrones, married a de la Pole
(illegitimately descended from John of Gaunt both *here* and *there*)
and changed their surname and House name, by Act of Parliament, to
"Plantagenet", essentially as a public-relations move, to reinforce the
legitimacy of their dynasty.

So the dynasties go Angevin-Plantagenet-
Stuart-Second Plantagenet.  No Tudors (they were busy playing
kingmakers across the border in Kemr) and no Hanover/Windsors.

--
John Cowan                                      cowan@ccil.org
                e'osai ko sarji la lojban.