Re: Dates of Human Diaspora WAS: Re: PIE and Nostratic

From what I had read, they found skeltons in southern south america, that
date from the same time as the bering land bridge, so either people moved
very fast, or they came from some where else.

Oddity for me, Tlingit indians of the Pacific North Coast/Alaskan SE, have
many features in common with Polynesians, to include Totem Art, head dress
and like things..

Does not mean they are polynesians, but ..

Heh, if you look at the world from a polar realtion, you can see that
someone could have come/gone to/from North America by Greenland/Iceland..

They have been finding "European" genes in New England Indians, but the
genes have been shifted some ages ago (?15,000?). So people from Europe came
there? or someone went to Europe or ..

I do know, that if polynesians can travel to places like New Zealand and
Hawaii and Guam and more, they could have travelled to more than just there
but was absorbed or .. what?

Austeroid, could have been absorbed by the polynesians or wiped out?
Cannibalism was supposedly done in New Zealand? before contact?

But  you never know..

Malay are often asian looking? But Polynesians seem to be heavier boned,
bigger and such? Diet or some mixture with someone? Austeroids or what?

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas Wier" <trwier@...>
To: <CONLANG@...>
Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: Dates of Human Diaspora WAS: Re: PIE and Nostratic


> Paul wrote:
> > There's some pretty compelling evidence that the earliest humans in the
> > Americas came to South America from (or via) Australia close to 50 or 40
> > kya, and were displaced soutwards and all but wiped out by the Asian
> > influx somewhere around 20 to 10 kya. It seems the very last of the
> > bloodline exist at the very tip of Argentina, in Tierra del Fuego, and I
> > agree that those people have the typical Australian features with South
> > American coloring, and IIRC their language hasn't been successfully
> > related to anything else American, and there are certain cultural
oddities
> > that defy any explanation other than the Australian origin hypothesis,
or
> > sheer random coincidence.
> >
> > Indeed, there seem to be rather too many coincidences in traditional
> > dress, hunting style, cave art, archaeological artifacts (these two
> > indicating technological as well as cultural differences between the
> > original inhabitants and those who conquered them), facial features,
> > ethnonyms and folklore to entirely discount this theory.
>
> I have heard this too;  and I vaguely recall one of my friends who is an
> amateur archaeologist informed me that there's a site whose human remains
> have been radiocarbon-dated to about 60-70kya.  I'm not an expert in this
> field, though.  What I do wonder about is, if they did reach the Americas,
> why did these Australoid peoples seem to miss all those islands (including
> rather big ones, like New Zealand) that are in the way? Or did they follow
> the coastline all the way north to Alaska, and thence downward, only to
> be later replaced by Mongoloid populations in China, Southeast Asia et al?
> I suppose a lot can happen in the better part of a 100k years.  It would
> also be interesting to relate this to the population bottleneck in the
> world human population that occured 74kya.
>
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