Re: Dates of Human Diaspora WAS: Re: PIE and Nostratic

Race/Genes vs Language

They are not always tied. Not unknown for people of one race to adopt for
what ever reason the lingo of another group?

I do know from experiance, that often some residue is left behind, unless
the absorbtion was to total to have left nothing?

Where is the are where people are of all often blond haired/blue eyes, north
of Turkey or Iraq/Iran? Circasionas or something like name?

Caucasus mountains, what is their lingo?

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas Wier" <trwier@...>
To: <CONLANG@...>
Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: Dates of Human Diaspora WAS: Re: PIE and Nostratic


> Paul wrote:
> > There's some pretty compelling evidence that the earliest humans in the
> > Americas came to South America from (or via) Australia close to 50 or 40
> > kya, and were displaced soutwards and all but wiped out by the Asian
> > influx somewhere around 20 to 10 kya. It seems the very last of the
> > bloodline exist at the very tip of Argentina, in Tierra del Fuego, and I
> > agree that those people have the typical Australian features with South
> > American coloring, and IIRC their language hasn't been successfully
> > related to anything else American, and there are certain cultural
oddities
> > that defy any explanation other than the Australian origin hypothesis,
or
> > sheer random coincidence.
> >
> > Indeed, there seem to be rather too many coincidences in traditional
> > dress, hunting style, cave art, archaeological artifacts (these two
> > indicating technological as well as cultural differences between the
> > original inhabitants and those who conquered them), facial features,
> > ethnonyms and folklore to entirely discount this theory.
>
> I have heard this too;  and I vaguely recall one of my friends who is an
> amateur archaeologist informed me that there's a site whose human remains
> have been radiocarbon-dated to about 60-70kya.  I'm not an expert in this
> field, though.  What I do wonder about is, if they did reach the Americas,
> why did these Australoid peoples seem to miss all those islands (including
> rather big ones, like New Zealand) that are in the way? Or did they follow
> the coastline all the way north to Alaska, and thence downward, only to
> be later replaced by Mongoloid populations in China, Southeast Asia et al?
> I suppose a lot can happen in the better part of a 100k years.  It would
> also be interesting to relate this to the population bottleneck in the
> world human population that occured 74kya.
>
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