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Re: A Conlang, created by the group?

From:Pablo Flores <fflores@...>
Date:Thursday, October 8, 1998, 18:48
Mathias M. Lassailly wrote:

>My mails suggest, tease and smile - like yours. They never ever claim for
anything. That's why I keep
>discussing on this list. I don't care a penny about our own alienity:-)
(just kidding. ouch ! mind my tentacle
>please) I know your languages and I don't think the syntax or word-making
I like would appeal to any of you. Well, if you don't try, you'll never know! Why don't you show us something about the syntax and word-making you like? Then we'll be able to tell you whether we like it or not.
>So I wouldn't like to be in charge of that.
This is not a job :) Please contribute, if you want to. But what do you prefer, then?
> My only wish is that people could express themselves in that >language without complying to very difficult structures. Let me take an
example (influencing all degrees of
>integration : the making of words, adjectives, connectives, and main
phrases) : some of us are left- , others
>right-branching. That's no trifle : some will have to strive to get a
single phrase ok while others won't. I have no branches :) I've made left- and right-branching languages, and I'm not good at any of them.
>Heavy inflexion may allow to use both directions in the same language at
the level of the phrase and maybe the
>adjectives, but it may prove difficult to some of us to get right all the
inflexions this would require.
>Herman's question about genitive is an example : some would use genitive
as a general linking-tag, then others
>would like to be more precise : is 'John's thought' a thought about John,
of John ? etc... I'd use genitive as a general case. But anyway, I don't think the Latin cases make "heavy inflection". Propose a case system and we'll talk about it. <<snip synthetic vs. analytic languages>>
>I don't say I would like this feature in our lang : this proves a very
BORING structure to many -- anyway a >very un-Alienic one :-)). I know this : no wonder IAL fans never made one language truely like that (yes, I >know Esperanto. It's not). I'm just trying to say that funny features may be a nightmare to some while easy >features may be boring and vague to others. I'm just ok with any design of yours whatever its complexity. I've >no specific requirement (or idea) because I know that any system has bads and goods. That's why I'd rather >watch, then comment in a positive way, if I may. That's what I do best - I'm often told so :-)
>Mathias
I don't know if an analytic language is "un-alien". Probably an alien would understand Chinese or English before French or German. It's all on the alien's mind. I know I don't want to have an English or Chinese clone, not because they are boring, but because I already find English too familiar, and Chinese too "neat". I want some high-sounding words! Any system has bads and goods, OK. Including ours. If you want to watch and comment, do it -- but we haven't told you so :-) --Pablo Flores begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT M>)\^(@\!`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$-@ 0` M`@````(``@`!!) &`#P!```!````# ````,``# #````"P`/#@`````"`?\/ M`0```%(`````````@2L?I+ZC$!F=;@#=`0]4`@````!#;VYS=')U8W1E9"!, M86YG=6%G97,@3&ES= !33510`$-/3DQ!3D= 0E)/5TY632Y"4D]73BY%1%4` M```>``(P`0````4```!33510`````!X``S !````&@```$-/3DQ!3D= 0E)/ M5TY632Y"4D]73BY%1%4````#`!4,`0````,`_@\&````'@`!, $````=```` M)T-O;G-T<G5C=&5D($QA;F=U86=E<R!,:7-T)P`````"`0LP`0```!\```!3 M3510.D-/3DQ!3D= 0E)/5TY632Y"4D]73BY%1%4```,``#D`````"P! .@$` M```"`?8/`0````0````````#DSD!"( '`!@```!)4$TN36EC<F]S;V9T($UA M:6PN3F]T90`Q" $$@ $`)0```%)%.B!!($-O;FQA;F<L(&-R96%T960@8GD@ M=&AE(&=R;W5P/P`@# $%@ ,`#@```,X'"@`(``\`, `Z``0`9 $!(( #``X` M``#.!PH`" `/`!L`!P`$`!P!`0F `0`A````.$(V.4)#.$1#,35%1#(Q,3E# M,D$T-#0U-3,U-# P,# ``0<!`Y &`/ )```2````"P`C```````#`"8````` M``L`*0```````P`V``````! `#D`8/>23NSRO0$>`' ``0```"4```!213H@ M02!#;VYL86YG+"!C<F5A=&5D(&)Y('1H92!G<F]U<#\``````@%Q``$````6 M`````;WR[$Z)C;QIC%[!$=*<*D1%4U0`````'@`># $````%````4TU44 `` M```>`!\,`0```!L```!F9FQO<F5S0'1A=2YW86UA;FDN87!C+F]R9P```P`& M$+IG:V<#``<0\ @``!X`"! !````90```$U!5$A)05--3$%34T%)3$Q95U)/ M5$4Z35E-04E,4U-51T=%4U0L5$5!4T5!3D1334E,12U,24M%64]54E-42$59 M3D5615)%5D520TQ!24U&3U)!3EE42$E.1U1(05135TA924L``````@$)$ $` M``!>" ``6@@``*T0``!,6D9U"64@B/\`"@$/`A4"I /D!>L"@P!0$P-4`@!C M: K <V5T;C(&``;#`H,R!$8"`'!P<G$Q( A5![("@'U_"H (SPG9`H *@0VQ M"V!N8&<Q,#,T"OL2\7-L,3@*H -@= 60!4!-&&%T: <P#]$N($Q%&<!S"W!L M;'D8#"!T('<9`CH8#QD4"HMLD&DQ-#0"T6DM'G/?#- ><QPO'3\:O3X?KQD5 M''D@`, #$ 0@<W5G8F<'D'0L(!D@&<!E:B `<&0DP&T#$"6@+:H@'E!K):!Y M"&%S&@"(5&AE)%!N97840>4GHV,+86T@`A %P !P7GD9D1=0)R(9@"<$('>2 M:"1022 FH&5P"N$O&MLA%2+/&05D! !C=?L$$"DQ( (@)5 9H 0@'E!7)2 : M`"HP9 (@)P5 8_,*P"6A(' )\"CP); &X.YU!4 (82X@=P.@!T (D $#`'1Y M.BTI("C&:BW !4!K:60M@"E"<PA@$; @(21@"X EX&W_)% 9( (P`- F,2JO M*[\8NN\+4"5R,> J,6XQ`";#)G!Y%T%U824!);,O%BD2:],N426@<WDT`7@N M( 7 \G<%L&0M`, R8"X!*C"3)H,[,'5L)>!A<# `VP= )5!O*-(N(&8FPAH` MYS1_(3,A%5=E&H E0 :0LR;".89R>25 )M$G&H!W)X4W\C- 5RH!+S1 @G/^ M:#@1+< DP -P$@`I(C!4OR$5.EDEPCLZ0((F@C\G,ND#H'=E0:)B):$"8"6@ M_STQ&2!!L4""*?!$,11!2 #_)G0QD"$5!;$X`"[@/QPUW_T9!5,]0"HP/&,O M4B:#/3'_2&$+@"@P$<$E`#V2&9 9@/XN/B\_.B= +H$N@4MA+]&@:F]B(#HQ MX% W8U<H, (A!1!B,)!E0#=WZP!P.=%O&@!",)$I\!F ?R\A0',3H W !) E M04?!/_]+KTR_&3(D,@(@&I ;H 0`[S,@+H%08B_Q;S=15#$\@EQE>%<!!!$Z M46T1\&S_)[!2L2Y"5F$A%R'_6/\905\XEEJQ&9 P@@6@;0M0>7\M\CTQ)[%" MP0:0'L ML&SK!4 E('(S`'0(< >0&@&_$@`D8$C!.Y EHEQ186(AG26@* N M%R *4&YC1&/_0;$-L G"!" ]H5X?7R\8NJ\+@!D@"< 9@&DN,3HZ0Q<[A3VA M.S)S)4!A9&K]&3%I75$E0%1!)Y!M!B7"LR1Q`Z!P:&K@$?!S,>#_:T%$`CV2 M0]$OHB8P`8 F8/\E0!D02>$$(&>_:,\8N@40]&=H<,!B:N!F8"DK. #_01$& MD"8Q;X4#\$&Q$< GL/\](F/!;2$](B4`4R(MXB8Q_V[D+B Z,"GP)B)Q%3LP M+U'_&@!QCS4:*C!W0W7A=,0'D?E3H4DG=V$`P VP<(4EPC]T;3B(;C1^0"B M4P)G;_\$<"6P1.8]95SB2Y]S#QDC^D@E<'8D4&8"7&!K$@# _S!!&H X$3TQ M+< EH ;@&9#_+7$5H&T!`B!==3IQ99!*,?]A!E9A.E(F,">P`R"#%'DF_6Y4 M>4AA.E)[CX0O&+ILRO]4H4J1AN,8\7=A8RAWDF^X_W@U=&-FLSI2AE=;(BZ! M/&1Y%:!Q=8AA/@^-WX4><O\#@2G!E> E$6L2,&0E`#&!_W?R+H%E27:&/'.' MPIJW&<%_+^":L020/0$>4#H@*3$M_0&09U=D<0]R'Y?_&4$\9/].Z01@+[%7 M`69P)9%K4"Z!<"=*;VB9@F&B=($G?R_1I;4P5:5"</$]L*5"('-'D!(`8RZH M<* ??!PG_YS?G>DOD!'P5>0HX55P04&_.7\:$6L`3Z%O$FNB92$5KB(G4(87 MB),B&@!0`V#\<&\EDJQ3.H$E(%T`1@1[2!,!D&PZ,#!D,9"#C3S\/',#`"J M.I))L6-@8L _)Q$`< = *0"U\3B7/C[_ET\8G"\6&E J$J,*+G)7,/\9@&0A M3X(X5FM#+H&1,YW2@6+30D]224Y'8[CW/2(#@210+7\BK2(OT:"?A[@_&2-B MTW5N+4$Q4^^V``(@=F$QT"DN\C?S+F.?:U!UX7JA!($J($%,*)#_!B(GE'Z3 MP\)@]V/10 `D4/.ZU59A*'EM0BHPP%_!;W,9(S?S17,P`'315<))_76D=,0R M@8$R$T$A8F6Z$OU;0V;#$# QNW6O0B102&+_)X!T<@# ON1VI'GC)7$D4/_) MC\J?&2//S@;@!1!$<B71_G8XX I0/2*?M,V)>:)AD?<]4PVP`)!GGY$]LWIR M*9'_)Z,QD 0@8@.&D3&@S8)W8?_2O]//&2-UX<Q19G!C496V^P> 59$H!;$R M<"5P,>!(8/\OD(?"Q&=683UBLD41P 0@_F)LP#D4@?(G$RFHJI%JX?])XMP? MW2^BM!F $;"?16(!_]^S3Y$OX;&0FN2M,T!1*C#_AO$I:59A+Q)(43(Q)F"! M<O\]H#/A/2$\D40`P_*HO^7?_QB_&< _'"&/&W$O%C?S0%'W`Y&V;U+"(L,1 M,4.Q).+0_P)@,$$Q)3Q4\47#$ 2!)2"])<)#*2$'D% 1!<!%>.'O6M)(8"BA M):!&%:!T\3KR_D>90\S59L(N,Z^6,4,IP?\S8L1'+Q95=7<T`Y'Y=@6Q]_C& M*$##P2SQ15,"X*8Z4?\P02^QUB209."H!T 5H&S _\^A,W+Y=CTP/4#&("81 M&;#O5U""9_BH!;(B)Y 9@+$AWTXQ_L)OHQF@=( M1 #X$>LM\FQ3(3\<0>'_ MXPDE0'Q/2R[Q9F 6< G#)N1)_U4;YY0ELO%%Z&4E0%:1D,'_OY&0@DHA=T(Y ML^SB0T/M.ML_'+^04$B1/4!&AU!<D2ON_R"[??% `!? ```#`! 0``````,` M$1 `````0 `',*!WJT'I\KT!0 `(,*!WJT'I\KT!'@`]``$````%````4D4Z '( ````#I=0`' ` end