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Re: A Conlang, created by the group?

From:Pablo Flores <fflores@...>
Date:Wednesday, October 7, 1998, 16:25
Mathias M. Lassailly wrote:

[snip my proposal]
>I'm in too. >However, may I ask >1. whether I could pronounce /f/ as /v/, /S/ as /zh/, /y/ as French /eu/ or /u/, /tj/ as /tS/ ?
Well, my idea was having distinct /f/ and /v/, /S/ and /Z/ (I mean, fricatives contrasting by voice). /y/ is precisely a French "u" as in "tu", and /tj/ would be a palatalized /t/, as in Russian (transliterated <t'>)
>2. what sound /x/ and /q/ like ?
/x/ is an unvoiced velar fricative. Like a Spanish "j" as in "jueves", or German "ch" as in "Reich". We could have /x/ with variants [x] and [h] if you (and the rest) are OK with that. I've seen /x/ written "kh" in some languages. The voiced version, "gh", is quite similar to the French uvular "r" (I don't know whether that's your dialect's "r"). /q/ is an unvoiced uvular stop, sort of /k/ but farther into the throat. The sound is produced near the uvula (that fleshy blob that hangs in the back of your mouth).
>3. I have psycho problems with unrounded /u/ (that's Japanese /u/), may I round it ?
We should vote on that.
>4. I don't like other palatalized consonants /lj/ and /nj/ as word initials but >I would abide by Rules - as a >good SJ I am - and accept them as vox populi conlangororum.
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