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Re: A Conlang, created by the group?

From:Christophe Grandsire <christophe.grandsire@...>
Date:Tuesday, October 13, 1998, 7:15
At 18:45 12/10/98 -0000, you wrote:
[some stuff]

>I don't understand, don't beat me ! :-) > >If adjective is like a verb, why not suppress adjectives and make them
participial ?
> >Let me explain : > >Adjectives would then be like verbs but more permanent in meaning
(linguists would say they would tend towards unaspective) :
> >to bite > biting >to be bitten > bitten > > >The next deeper degree in integration is the noun : > >biting > the biter >bitten > the bitten > >I proposed : > >to bite > who bites > biting > *the biter >di-kjak > a-ti di-kjak > mu-kjak-a-o > kjak-a-o > >to bite > who's bitten > bitten > *the bitten >di-kjak > pe-ti di-kjak > mu-kjak-pe-o > kjak-pe-o >
Well, I don't know why but I don't like that. I'd prefer to make a parallel between adjectives and relative clauses (they are exactly the same in fact, the relative clause is only a generalisation of the adjective).
>Theme is not a case in any language (otherwise it would be useless) : it's
a tag added to another case or replacing it to show the attribute of the whole sentence (it's used to unaspectivate an aspective sentence)
> >Jap : > >hon wa yomeru = the book : (I) read it > >if wa were a case, it should read : > >hon wa yomareru = the book : it's read > >that's why you have often case+wa : > >hon ni wa e ga aru = In the book there are images. > >you have here ni+wa, but there are also wo+wa and more rarely ga+wa. >
Totally okay.
> >> > I think it could easily be used for every style of verb (at least >> >intransitive ones. By the way, shall we use transitive/intransitive >> >differentiation? I think it can be changed). >> >> I think this could be distinguished by case. >> >> I-undergoer rise-predicate >> "I rise" >> >> I-agent the-chair-patient raise-predicate >> "I raise the chair" >> >> (here "rise" and "raise" would be the *same* root). >> > >You're mixing ergative, causative and factitive ;-) >But Idon't mind. It's fair enough to me. > > > >> >> --Pablo Flores > > >Mathias >> > > >----- >See the original message at http://www.egroups.com/list/conlang/?start=17186 >-- >Free e-mail group hosting at http://www.eGroups.com/ > >
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