Re: A Conlang, created by the group?

Carlos Thompson wrote:

>De: Pablo Flores <fflores@...>
>Fecha: Martes 6 de Octubre de 1998 23:29
>[...]
>>Has anybody thought about the conculture? Not that we have to invent it,
>but
>>there should be a background.
>>
>I imagine we want no conAIL.
>A fictional language for Sci Fi characters would involve us in worldbuilding
>and I would propose to make a realy weird conlang (any joins)  Pablo's
>phonology would be droped for a very weird one... one pronounced by some
>speices with no labial-dental-alveolar-palatal-velar-uvular disctintions or
>nasals.
Hey, don't go that far with that imagination of yours! :) I only said
"a conculture"; no need for it to be an alien one.

>A logical language (zero ambiguity, machine parseable) could be another way.
>But I would like a language made by conlangers to be used by conlangers,
>children of conlangers, close friends of conlangers, etc.  This language
>doesn't need to be oversimplified for easy to learn.
I agree about this -- a language for *us*. It should have some familiar
terms to cope with conlanging and linguistics vocabulary, instead of those
complicated (and sometimes misleading) English, German, Latin, or Greek
terms.

>If this is going to be a net language I guess orthography is more important
>than phonology.  We have 26 letters of Modern Latin (English) alphabet we
>all can type in our keyboards and read in our emails.  I would vote to stick
>to those letters and have no apostrophe or special mark (I like the & sign
>in NGL but & is read form of "et" and only used as conjunction, never in the
>middle of a word).
I have to disagree to this. Orthography should adequately reflect phonology,
being simple, unambiguous, and easy to represent in ASCII. Otherwise we could
drop out phonology and make ourselves a code!

>I love consonant clusters, after having try with a lot of projects with
>strictly CV(N) or C(S)V(N), where (S) stands for aproximants, I would like
>to come back to some clusters not difficult to pronounce... nothing like dij
>Schdjarvk... but I would see no problems whit final /s/ /S/ /f/ /l/ /k/ and
>what ever /r/ means.
/r/ could be the English "r" or the Spanish flapped "r" or the uvular French "r".
That we should decide. I would be OK with a C(w, y)V(V)(C).

>Pronunciation of letters:
[snip]
>In other words: completely free pronunciation, if you want to pronounce
>consistily would be okay.
>
>Even combinations would be free: _ai_ would be [aj] [aI] [eI] /a.i/ or what
>ever.
I think that's taking the issue to the extreme. Granted, we have to have
some freedom (each phoneme should have variants); but not *that* much.
We should at least preserve the stop-fricative and voiced-unvoiced distinctions.


--Pablo Flores

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