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Re: CHAT: The King of Glottal Stops Reigns Supreme!

From:Tristan Alexander McLeay <anstouh@...>
Date:Sunday, January 27, 2002, 15:21
On Mon, 28 Jan 2002, John-Emmanuel wrote:

> jogloran ghItlh: > > : No, I've been to Melbourne twice and I think the pronounciation in > : the city was pretty normal. I know that people here have some sort of > : stereotype about Melburnian speech (I don't exactly know what the > : stereotype actually is, however :P). > > Yeah... pity though. I'd love to say that Melbournians are radically > different, but.... ;) I think it has to do with the class distinction. See > my previous post :)
Well of *course* we're radically different! For a start, we're the intelligent people! :)
> : Tangentially, I was in Newcastle (in Australia :P) recently, and > : their adjective for describing themselves (in the vein of Melburnian > : and the rather contrived "Sydneysider") is "Novocastrian", which is > : obviously the Latin form of the place. It was actually used by the > : residents, which I wouldn't have expected for such a highfalutin > : name :P > : > : Imperative > > Lol! Actually, what would YOU call them? Apart from 'those bloody Knights > supporters' ;)
And I'm presuming this is some Rugby reference you people way up north think footy is?
> I think Novocastrian is the general term that most ppl use.... > I've also heard Melbournites, and less frequently, Sydneyites. I think its
Melbournites refers specifically to people, it's a noun. You can't be Melbournite, you're a Melbournite. I've also seen some people make reference to Melbournian (pronounced with an /O:/ rather than an /3\:/), but these blasphemers generally come from somewhere else. Bananabenders call us Mexicans; in retaliation, some call the New South Welsh and Qlders Canadian. Never heard 'Sydneyite'.
> Brisbanites for Brisbane and Darwinians (lol!) for Darwin. I've also heard > Hobartians for Hobart - rhyming with Martians. I think it would be > Perthsiders for Perth, and Adeladians for Adelaide. And of course you can > call ppl in Canberra anything you want 'cos they're all pollies! :D
People from Darwin, Perth, the Hole ;) and Canberra aren't used enough to warrant normal terms for them.
> ObConlang: Also, what do you call ppl in different cities in your conlangs? > Is there a general term/construction? Or do you use multiple methods?
The Thaff (T'ab) /TAp\/, the speakers of Et'abnanni, take the normal word to be the one for the people (borrowed from the people as recently as possible); a place and languages are constructions based on this. Thus, the Fince (speakers of Finnstek), their neighbours, are _PINS_ /p\InT/, Finnstek is _PINIYAN_ /p\Inj{n/ and Fingngkraggi (the land of the Fince) is .... erm... something I've forgotten ATM. Of course, that's just the official method. Unofficially, it's not uncommon to see either a more archaic form (such as _ep'esnanni_ /p\En:{n/) or terms at least derived from originally derogative, such as _ert'a_, from OEtabnanni *_etra_ from *_et_, smaller and *_ra(kra)_ worth, intelligence, use. Tristan