Re: CHAT: The King of Glottal Stops Reigns Supreme!

On Mon, 28 Jan 2002, John-Emmanuel wrote:

> jogloran ghItlh:
>
> : No, I've been to Melbourne twice and I think the pronounciation in
> : the city was pretty normal. I know that people here have some sort of
> : stereotype about Melburnian speech (I don't exactly know what the
> : stereotype actually is, however :P).
>
> Yeah... pity though. I'd love to say that Melbournians are radically
> different, but.... ;)  I think it has to do with the class distinction.  See
> my previous post :)
Well of *course* we're radically different! For a start, we're the
intelligent people! :)

> : Tangentially, I was in Newcastle (in Australia :P) recently, and
> : their adjective for describing themselves (in the vein of Melburnian
> : and the rather contrived "Sydneysider") is "Novocastrian", which is
> : obviously the Latin form of the place. It was actually used by the
> : residents, which I wouldn't have expected for such a highfalutin
> : name :P
> :
> : Imperative
>
> Lol!  Actually, what would YOU call them?  Apart from 'those bloody Knights
> supporters' ;)
And I'm presuming this is some Rugby reference you people way up north
think footy is?

> I think Novocastrian is the general term that most ppl use....
> I've also heard Melbournites, and less frequently, Sydneyites.  I think its
Melbournites refers specifically to people, it's a noun. You can't be
Melbournite, you're a Melbournite. I've also seen some people make
reference to Melbournian (pronounced with an /O:/ rather than an /3\:/),
but these blasphemers generally come from somewhere else. Bananabenders
call us Mexicans; in retaliation, some call the New South Welsh and Qlders
Canadian. Never heard 'Sydneyite'.

> Brisbanites for Brisbane and Darwinians (lol!) for Darwin.  I've also heard
> Hobartians for Hobart - rhyming with Martians.  I think it would be
> Perthsiders for Perth, and Adeladians for Adelaide.  And of course you can
> call ppl in Canberra anything you want 'cos they're all pollies! :D
People from Darwin, Perth, the Hole ;) and Canberra aren't used enough to
warrant normal terms for them.

> ObConlang:  Also, what do you call ppl in different cities in your conlangs?
> Is there a general term/construction?  Or do you use multiple methods?
The Thaff (T'ab) /TAp\/, the speakers of Et'abnanni, take the normal word
to be the one for the people (borrowed from the people as recently as
possible); a place and languages are constructions based on this.  Thus,
the Fince (speakers of Finnstek), their neighbours, are _PINS_ /p\InT/,
Finnstek is _PINIYAN_ /p\Inj{n/ and Fingngkraggi (the land of the Fince)
is .... erm... something I've forgotten ATM.

Of course, that's just the official method. Unofficially, it's not
uncommon to see either a more archaic form (such as _ep'esnanni_
/p\En:{n/) or terms at least derived from originally derogative, such as
_ert'a_, from OEtabnanni *_etra_ from *_et_, smaller and *_ra(kra)_ worth,
intelligence, use.

Tristan